The old Quran fragments in Yemen.

[Delta2]

Thanks for Sam_777, I made my own research

For those who are interested :

read this :

submission.org/quran/warsh.html

My intention is to point out the real soul killers : the Mullas, Imams and scholars of Islam

That make people foolish, because people doens’t have any guilt

I have seen here people taking single verses from the bible without reading the context where their are took

I don’t know what Islam Sect is that, it surely is to be understood with all the sources that are being posted in this forum

Today every Muslim proudly identifies himself with the titles of Sunni, Shia, Ahle-Hadith, Ahle-Fiqah, Ahle-Quran, Hanfi, Shafi, Malki, Hanbli, Dewbandi Brailwi so on and so forth

Perhaps is only one of this titles, really don’t know

 

[inJESUS]

Submission.org is run by Quran–only sect, as far as i know.

 

[Delta2]

Submission.org is run by Quran–only sect, as far as i know.

And the title winner is :

Ahle-Quran

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_alone



thanks for the clue

 

[inJESUS]

And the title winner is :

Ahle-Quran

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_alone



thanks for the clue

although these are a very small sect, yet they have no problem bursting the bubble of Muhammad being illiterate and that the Quran is not free from variations.

There are various versions of the Arabic Quran that are still in print. They differ in many aspects although they convey the same meaning.

God has provided us with the tool to verify the correct version and confirm His preservation of the Quran. The Mathematical miracle of the Quran has proved that the Hafs transmission maintained the built in mathematical structure of the Quran.

so what Allah has left them is a mathematical miracle to know which Quran is true !

After this miracle is refuted, what is left of the miraculous Quran?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Today every Muslim proudly identifies himself with the titles of Sunni, Shia, Ahle-Hadith, Ahle-Fiqah, Ahle-Quran, Hanfi, Shafi, Malki, Hanbli, Dewbandi Brailwi so on and so forth

Perhaps is only one of this titles, really don’t know

Sunni - People of the Sunnah and Congregation, 85+% of Muslims
Shi’a - the Party of 'Ali, <15% of Muslims

Hanafi - Following one of the 4 major schools of fiqh
Maliki - Following one of the 4 major schools of fiqh
Shafi’i - Following one of the 4 major schools of fiqh
Hanbali - Following one of the 4 major schools of fiqh

Ahle Hadith - People of Hadith, synonymous with “Salafi,” these are Sunnis who are either Hanbali or sometime rejecting all four, advocating a direct return to original sources instead of fiqh schools

Ahle Fiqh - Never heard that, guess it’s the opposite of Ahle hadith

Ahle Qur’an - Rejecting hadith entirely and relying on (apparently) their own interpretation of the Qur’an.

Deobandi - Hanafis of a methodology or school in the subcontinent… popular in the UK.

Muhammad (saws) said Islam would follow the way of the Jews and Christians and split up into sects, and that they would all be in the fire except for one, and that is the one of him and his companions.

Most of the above do not constitute sects, actually, but are different schools in Sunni Islam. Only Ahle Qur’an and Shi’a are, to my knowledge, not Sunni. Anyway, the titles are divisive but overall pretty irrelevant.

 

[Delta2]

Thanks Sister Amy, I already knew about that sects but I was confused about that site I gave

Hanafi - Following one of the 4 major schools of fiqh
Maliki - Following one of the 4 major schools of fiqh
Shafi’i - Following one of the 4 major schools of fiqh
Hanbali - Following one of the 4 major schools of fiqh

Ahle Fiqh - Never heard that, guess it’s the opposite of Ahle hadith

No, it is not, you answered that yourself and I quoted them together

It means Islam Jurisprudence - body of laws, legal system

And it is constituted by all Mullas, Imams or scholars that manages muslim lifes

That’s means that that type of sects relies on a scholar teachings rather that anything else

Most of the above do not constitute sects, actually, but are different schools in Sunni Islam. Only Ahle Qur’an and Shi’a are, to my knowledge, not Sunni. Anyway, the titles are divisive but overall pretty irrelevant.

Well, you can also believe that all protestants churchs are just different schools

God Bless You

 

[Sister_Amy]

No, it is not, you answered that yourself and I quoted them together

I know what “ahle” means and I know what “fiqh” means but I’m not familiar with any group calling themselves “ahle fiqh.” Because “ahle hadith” attacks the four main schools of fiqh, I supposed that “ahle fiqh” would attack “ahle hadith” in defense of the fiqh.

It means Islam Jurisprudence - body of laws, legal system

Islamic jurisprudence is the meaning of fiqh. The body of laws or legal system, however, is not FIQH but it is Shari’ah. Shari’ah is the Law, and Fiqh is jurisprudence. Subtle differences, yes, but they aren’t the same.

And it is constituted by all Mullas, Imams or scholars that manages muslim lifes

That doesn’t even make sense. Fiqh, legal rulings derived from a deep understanding of Islamic sources, is not something that any old “imam” or “mulla” or “scholar” can come up with. The faqeeh (jurist) will have a process of examining Islamic sources to determine answers to questions which are not specifically determined by divine law. There are four major schools of fiqh, those mentioned, Hanafi, Shafi’i, Maliki, and Hanbali.

That’s means that that type of sects relies on a scholar teachings rather that anything else

It’s not possible for a person to rely on teachings of a scholar over the Qur’an and Sunnah, because all the scholars and faqeehs will put precedence of the Qur’an and Sunnah, even if it contradicts them.

Well, you can also believe that all protestants churchs are just different schools

Having been raised in “protestants churchs” I can tell you that it’s not the same as different fiqh in Islam.

 

[Delta2]

I know what “ahle” means and I know what “fiqh” means but I’m not familiar with any group calling themselves “ahle fiqh.” Because “ahle hadith” attacks the four main schools of fiqh, I supposed that “ahle fiqh” would attack “ahle hadith” in defense of the fiqh.

The literal meaning of fiqh is “understanding”, “perception”, “discernmen” or to some extent appreciation.

When it is used in Quran 4:78 and 7:179, it means what a judicious person is likely to conclude from obvious evidences.

A definition which is attributed to someone that himself is generally held to be developed by the jurists of later time

But that term is some complex

Having been raised in “protestants churchs” I can tell you that it’s not the same as different fiqh in Islam.

In face of the complexity of the term of “fiqh” you can also apply that to the Christians sects

 

[Sam_777]

Muhammad (saws) said Islam would follow the way of the Jews and Christians and split up into sects, and that they would all be in the fire except for one, and that is the one of him and his companions.

Actually that Hadith says Muhammad said Jews had split into 71 or 72 sects, and Christians had split into 71 or 72 sects, and my people will split into 73 sects.
I wonder if that prophecy will ever be fulfilled, I don’t think Christians and Jews split up into 71 or 72 sects (they can correct me if I’m wrong), beside that, I’m sure that we don’t have 73 sects in Islam.