Are you suggesting that the Ordinary Form (OF) Mass is an erroneous or invalid Mass? Are you suggesting that those who attend it or prefer it are not part of the True Church?I am a traditional Catholic. There are many who think we are a cult. If most of the world is against you, then we know we are doing the right thing, we are the one and only true faith. You cant change God. When the mass changed and rules of the church changed, that was a huge error. The traditional mass was from the beginning and will stay the same to the end!
Thats an enormous accusation to make. This forum has gone to the dogs- a traditionalist cant take two steps without being accused of something or contradicted or just generally picked on.Are you suggesting that the Ordinary Form (OF) Mass is an erroneous or invalid Mass? Are you suggesting that those who attend it or prefer it are not part of the True Church?
Since 9nicole simply jumped in, making a statement of belief, no question, request for advise or anything else, I certainly think it is a legitimate response to ask for clarification.Thats an enormous accusation to make. This forum has gone to the dogs- a traditionalist cant take two steps without being accused of something or contradicted or just generally picked on.
9nicole, are you on the Fish Eater’s forums?
I made no accusations, I asked questions. I did not make assumptions nor did I make assertions. I wanted the OP to clarify his post and his position. I also hoped that he/she would explain the purpose of the thread.Thats an enormous accusation to make. This forum has gone to the dogs- a traditionalist cant take two steps without being accused of something or contradicted or just generally picked on.
9nicole, are you on the Fish Eater’s forums?
Are you suggesting that the Ordinary Form (OF) Mass is an erroneous or invalid Mass? Are you suggesting that those who attend it or prefer it are not part of the True Church?
You have not answered the questions. But you have made some inaccurate statements.Answer the question,how can you change God? Where does it say that it is ok to make changes to the mass, the one God started.The modern church has made the rules much easier for Catholics, no birth control, dress how you want. Did the Blessed Virgin Mary wear pants or dress immodestly? How is it alright to receive the Sacred Host (Jesus Christ Himself) by the priest putting the Host in our hand and then we put it in our mouth. We should not be touching the Host.Was this done in the beginning. no!
I dont say this out of ignorance, I am just trying to reach out to people.
Yours sincerely!
I went back and reread your OP. I found absolutely no questionmarks in the post. So please don’t be offended when others don’t see questions.You still havent answered my questions? I think you are being rude and my intention wasnt to offend you, but at the same time we must stick up fpr God. No hard feelings,and
I wish this not to be a heated discussion. thanks for responding.
God bless!
Give a person type to type a response, please. I respond to posts in the order I read them, which is usually the order in which they appear.You still havent answered my questions? I think you are being rude and my intention wasnt to offend you, but at the same time we must stick up fpr God. No hard feelings,and
I wish this not to be a heated discussion. thanks for responding.
God bless!
Did Jesus wear pants?Answer the question,how can you change God? Where does it say that it is ok to make changes to the mass, the one God started.The modern church has made the rules much easier for Catholics, no birth control, dress how you want. Did the Blessed Virgin Mary wear pants or dress immodestly? How is it alright to receive the Sacred Host (Jesus Christ Himself) by the priest putting the Host in our hand and then we put it in our mouth. We should not be touching the Host.Was this done in the beginning. no!
I dont say this out of ignorance, I am just trying to reach out to people.
Yours sincerely!
Or, if may be the more accurate to look at it as introducing a new rite (since the former form remains in use as well)–either way, Pope Pius XII explains:It furthermore declares, that this power has ever been in the Church, that, in the dispensation of the sacraments, their substance being untouched, it may ordain,–or change, what things soever it may judge most expedient, for the profit of those who receive, or for the veneration of the said sacraments, according to the difference of circumstances, times, and places.
Canon law, or “rules” as such are also not immutable, but have been changed, many, many times over the centuries. As Pope Gregory XVI said quoting St. Gelasius I:
- It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification.[50]
Again, you may not personally like the changes made–and other Popes may have disagreed too–but that doesn’t mean there is no authority (St. Sixtus II disagreed with the decisions and policiesof his predecessor, St. Stephen I, for an early example).Thus, as St. Gelasius wrote: “Balance the decrees of the canons and consider the precepts of your predecessors, so that those things which the demands of the times require to be relaxed for the rebuilding of the churches may be moderated through careful consideration.”
I would never make such an assertion. The question is moot.Answer the question,how can you change God?
The Church has all the authority she needs to address the dozens of different rites that are used to celebrate Mass. As was stated earlier, God did not “start” the Mass. The Mass was built up over the years from the traditional worship done by the earliest Christians. The Extraordinary Form of the Mass for Latin Rite Catholics was finalized in the mid 16th century, at the Council of Trent. It is similar to, but not identical with, the Mass that was used before, which is credited to Pope Leo the Great…Where does it say that it is ok to make changes to the mass, the one God started.
The strictures against artificial Birth Control are not new, but date back to the earliest days of the Church. Other than head-covering for women, canon law has never dictated how people dress at Mass. That is a matter for local customs and current cultural trends. Respectful dress is the general guideline.The modern church has made the rules much easier for Catholics, no birth control, dress how you want.
The Church has all the authority She needs to give people guidance on how to respectfully receive the Body and Blood of our Lord. While I personally receive on the tongue, I know many who prefer to use the hand do so quite reverently.How is it alright to receive the Sacred Host (Jesus Christ Himself) by the priest putting the Host in our hand and then we put it in our mouth. We should not be touching the Host.Was this done in the beginning. no!
I dont say this out of ignorance, I am just trying to reach out to people.
Hmm… Okay.Yours sincerely!
I have addressed all of your questions. Please return this respect by answering mine.Are you suggesting that the Ordinary Form (OF) Mass is an erroneous or invalid Mass? Are you suggesting that those who attend it or prefer it are not part of the True Church?
Jesus never wore pants either.All I said about the Blessed Virgin Mary is that she never wore pants. Is she not an excellent example. I have not said anything disrespectful and I am trying to reach out to people. Dont mock that!
There has never been any canon law since the 1918 code regarding the specifics of dress that I am aware of. Likewise, contraception is still forbidden, periodic abstinance was upheld in multiple rulings of the Holy Office approved by the Pope (under Bl. Pius IX, Pius XI, and Pius XII for example).Answer the question,how can you change God? Where does it say that it is ok to make changes to the mass, the one God started.The modern church has made the rules much easier for Catholics, no birth control, dress how you want. Did the Blessed Virgin Mary wear pants or dress immodestly? How is it alright to receive the Sacred Host (Jesus Christ Himself) by the priest putting the Host in our hand and then we put it in our mouth. We should not be touching the Host.Was this done in the beginning. no!