The Only Female Cleric at the Synod

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I want to believe that too. But I also know we have Free Will. I also know the Church doesn’t teach the Pope is impeccable or infallible in everything he says.

Also, I didn’t say I knew better than the Pope. So that is an unfair and untrue statement.
 
No, it is not unfair or untrue, you do not have to say it verbatim to communicate by everything else you say.

Sorry, I am out of here too!
 
True, but I actually wrote the exact opposite of what you have decided I was saying. I wrote:
Popes are human too. They can make mistakes. I am not saying this was wrong or a mistake.
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So yes, it is unfair and untrue. I was very clear that I wasn’t passing judgement on this statement. And thus I don’t see how you can say I think I know better than the Pope.
 
No, I really didn’t wish to make this a topic of discussion. That’s why I put it at the end of my post. 🙂

Yes, all Catholic priests are male. But the person in question is not Catholic. She observes the rules of the church to which she belongs, which she has a right to do. Also, I’ve noticed traditionalists use the term “priestesses” to belittle non-Catholic female clergy in a way they never do with male clergy. Whether we like it or not, female clergy are validly ordained within their own churches and are entitled to the same respect as all other clergy.
 
Here’s a good litmus test for female ordination: take a common icon of our Blessed Mother, say Guadalupe or Fatima. Now imagine those images of our Blessed Mother with a Roman collar or priestly garments. Doesn’t fit, does it?

Not one approved apparition of our Blessed Mother has ever called for female clergy. One would think that if “the spirit” was truly calling for female clergy, none other than the Virgin Mary would be the best to deliver the message. In all actuality, the Blessed Mother usually calls for repentance and warns the faithful to remain orthodox.
 
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Whether we like it or not, female clergy are validly ordained within their own churches and are entitled to the same respect as all other clergy.
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That is an interesting idea. So should the Catholic Church invite some man who claims to be the real pope of the Catholic Church to its synods? He would be validly ordained in his own church. So why not invite him? The reason would be he makes an outrageous claim that undermines the true faith. The same applies to the priestess.
 
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That is an interesting idea. So should the Catholic Church invite some man who claims to be the real pope of the Catholic Church to its synods?
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That is not an interesting idea. Nor is it a parallel. Nor does such a man exist, as far as I know. Whereas there are churches and ecclesial communities other than the Church of Rome; and the Church of Rome declares that these churches and communities are separated brethren who, though deficient in some respects, …
have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.
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The clergy of these churches and communities are not, therefore “some man” but, in Rome’s view, ministers of Christian communities. Rome, therefore, treats them with the respect that is lacking in your comments.
 
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That is not an interesting idea. Nor is it a parallel. Nor does such a man exist, as far as I know. Whereas there are churches and ecclesial communities other than the Church of Rome; and the Church of Rome declares that these churches and communities are separated brethren who, though deficient in some respects, …
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You may not find it interesting. But I do since, contrary to what you believe, such a man does in fact exist.

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The clergy of these churches and communities are not, therefore “some man” but, in Rome’s view, ministers of Christian communities. Rome, therefore, treats them with the respect that is lacking in your comments.
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The pseudo pope David Bawden is a minister of a Christian community. So if I run into him I have to call him Pope Michael? And you do too otherwise you’d be disrespectful like me.

Pope Michael has a more legitimate claim since he is at least a male and thus eligible to be a priest. This woman, being a woman, can’t possibly be a priest.
 
Yes, Mr Bawden is interesting, and I don’t see why he should not be treated with respect. If the Pope decides to invite him to be an observer (I doubt he would accept) then I would expect the bishops would treat him with respect, too.
 
Ah, for the days of HH Paul VI and ++Michael Cantur. Or John Paul II and ++ Rowan Cantuar.
 
Yes. Francis gave Justin a bishop’s crozier (no, not a ring this time) of a design based on that which Gregory gave to Augustine of Canterbury.

Justin gave the Pope a pectoral Cross of Nails. You no doubt know the story of the Cross of Nails made from the detritus of the bomb-ruined Cathedral of Coventry; a cross which became a symbol of the Reconciliation Centre at Coventry to which Welby was once assigned, and thus a symbol of Reconciliation itself.

Gifts with meaning, I think.

 
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Yes, I thought there was something like that.

I knew of the Cross of Nails, though not of this specific gift.
 
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