The ordination of women as priests

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HERETICS! 😮

sorry, had to get it out of my system after reading the extract from ‘Roman Catholic ‘‘Woman Priests’’’.

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Have you ever heard a lecture, read about, personally known any of the women who are pushing for ordination of women. Women like the lesbian partners Diane Neu & Mary Hunt. They do not stop at women’s ordination…few liberals do. They embrace homosexual marriage & abortion & a weak Liturgy & tend to dislike & disrespect our Pope.
Some of their thoughts:

**Well it’s (not so) funny you should ask me that! 😃 yes, I have the misfortune of knowing them. And that is why I am not one of them. I find it repulsive to go against the Pope as they do, but they have the right to do that…and I have the right not to.

I do not remember learning ANYTHING in theology class during my entire four years at a roman catholic high school because I spent all of that time fighting with them. They were my teachers, both nuns and lay women. They said on National TV (according to my mom) that they stood up in defiance of the Pope regarding the ordination of women and pro-choice. Though they didn’t need to get on TV to say that, they said it all the time in school. They were blatantly and very rudely pro-women priests and pro-choice. My sophomore theo instructor actually said that, the Eucharist “was a symbol and wasn’t real”, and my junior theo instructor said that it’s possible that Mary wasn’t a Virgin all her life and that Jesus may have had other brothers and sisters. There were other things too, but I don’t remember right now. They used all women to conduct “services” but they weren’t Masses, so we can’t complain about that. And they had altar girls (instead of using boys like their predecessors did), but that’s not agains the Pope either.

I did confide in my priest (at the time a cantankerous but traditional elderly priest) and I don’t know what he could have done, if anything, but the sophomore instructor was asked to leave (not sure by whom, certainly not the school, that I’m sure of). She came back a year or two later after I graduated as the dean of students. A few years after that she “married” a fellow theology instructor, who was also a woman and announced it over the PA at school. However, that wasn’t allowed in that state at the time, this was in the early 90s. I still don’t think it’s allowed in that state. But anyhow, that’s what they did. And it was inappropriate in a Roman Catholic high school.

As a result, and after being on this forum for several weeks, I feel cheated out of my Catholic education, so I’m self-studying right now. **

[SIGN]womenpriests.org/wow/hunt.asp

I don’t need that to know they’re crazy…do I really wanna go there?

People who define others by what they DO, instead of how & why they do it, have always turned me off. As an 8th grader, I dusted the big, high altar one Sat. a month. (Others did it on the Sats. that remained in the month). I have been a full-time Mom & a business owner…still I consider that Sat. duty sacred & I consider my vocation as a FULL TIME Mother challenging & critically important. These women feel that they can only be equal to men by doing what men do & being “equal” is very crucial to them.

Well, they have the right to think that, but not in opposition of the Pope. If they want to be steelworkers and go to war, more power to them. Though I agree that women should get equal pay for an equal job done, and I think they should be able to apply for any job that a man can. However, Everyone’s job is important no matter what the job is. And everyone has the right to live the way they feel is right to them. If you want to live as a full-time mom and business owner you SHOULD, and why are you listening to these critical people anyway? Being a mother is an important job, and I’m sure you feel very blessed that you can enjoy the opportunity to do it yourself. Homemakers who are actually homemaking are doing what they’re supposed to do. I laugh when someone says they are bored being a homemaker because it’s quite obvious that they’re not doing thier job…MOHO of course 😉

BTW.I learned something following Vatican II. It’s important to **dig deeply **into, not only teachings of the Church about the issue that troubles one, but also the faithfulness & theories of people who are campaigning for your issue…a “better, more modern” Church…a more “politically correct” Church.

Well, I’m trying to dig deeply into the teachings of the Chuch. I’m working on it 🙂 Thank you so much for taking the time to share your opinion and knowledge with me 🙂 I appreicate your advice too!
 
Rence, I am delighted that you are doing the exploration of the faith that you are. God bless you.

Yes, it is a bit of a shock to learn that we aren’t as ‘knowledgeable’ as we thought we were. At my age it’s even harder to get that ‘smacked upside the head feeling’ but it does happen even so; none of us is that smart/perfect that there won’t be some aspect of the faith that we aren’t as well versed in as we think we are.

And it’s right to be angry (righteous anger) for a while when we find that we were denied something we should have had (education-wise). But then we have the leave the anger behind or we’ll focus on it to the detriment of everything else. I feel for my children’s generation more even than mine (ours was the last, who had at least in the very beginning the ‘roots and shoots’ before the ‘cut and paste’ school of education); and I was a catechist for my children through their school years! Oh how I tried, but the Internet hadn’t really taken off yet and it was like pulling teeth to get any resources beyond the pap that was pushed onto us by the DRE and whatever ‘experiment’ was meant to ‘celebrate our Catholic diversity’ or whatever buzzword was fashionable that year for that parish. God forbid that there should be unity, cohesiveness, or above all tradition when you could have excitement and diversity and ‘relationships’ instead. Gack.

And if I haven’t said so, I appreciate your posts here. Yes, I do, even though I’m often ‘discussing’ (not arguing:D) from a ‘different view’. You help me to think and to be more self-aware of why I think as I do. That helps strengthen my faith. If only it would strengthen my charity a little more it would be even better. . .so I guess I’ll work harder on that. Again, God bless. Hope you enjoy “Catholicism and Fundamentalism”–I did! Have a copy on my shelf so feel free to chat about it with me anytime!
 
“In a social milieu that encourages the expression of a variety of opinions on every question that arises, it is important to recognize dissent for what it is, and not to mistake it for a mature contribution to a balanced and wide-ranging debate.” --Pope Benedict XVI, Address to English Bishops, February 1, 2010
Thank you for posting this. Too much gets posted all over the internet that is not mature or knowledgeable.

Peace,
Ed
 
I feel for my children’s generation more even than mine (ours was the last, who had at least in the very beginning the ‘roots and shoots’ before the ‘cut and paste’ school of education); and I was a catechist for my children through their school years! Oh how I tried, but the Internet hadn’t really taken off yet and it was like pulling teeth to get any resources beyond the pap that was pushed onto us by the DRE and whatever ‘experiment’ was meant to ‘celebrate our Catholic diversity’ or whatever buzzword was fashionable that year for that parish. God forbid that there should be unity, cohesiveness, or above all tradition when you could have excitement and diversity and ‘relationships’ instead. Gack.
**
Well, thank goodness for the internet because more and more I believe Catholic teaching has to come from the home. It’s hard to find a good Catholic school that teaches what theyr’e supposed to teach, at least for us it is. We definitely have to self-study, and definitely have to pass it on to our children. But you know that’s part of Tradition too, and maybe that’s where we all went wrong? For years and years we relied on others to teach our children. Maybe it’s time we take that back with regards to the Catholic Church and its teachings?**

And if I haven’t said so, I appreciate your posts here. Yes, I do, even though I’m often ‘discussing’ (not arguing:D) from a ‘different view’. You help me to think and to be more self-aware of why I think as I do. That helps strengthen my faith. If only it would strengthen my charity a little more it would be even better. . .so I guess I’ll work harder on that. Again, God bless. Hope you enjoy “Catholicism and Fundamentalism”–I did! Have a copy on my shelf so feel free to chat about it with me anytime!

Not sure what that says about me 😛 considering that recently a conversation with a friend who is JW made me realize how important the CC is to me. You’re charitable, you’re just strict 🙂 And I do appreciate learning from you and everyone else, even though I know you just wanna strangle me sometimes 🙂
 
You and Eris are promoting PROTESTANTISM.
And youre letting PRIDE rule you. You trust this priest because he says what you want to hear. Its safer to trust the Spirit guided Church with Her 2,000 years of Wisdom, and all of the other gifts of the Holy Spirit…
:confused: Um, what? I’m not Protestant, because I am not Christian. Actually, if you read well, you would see that I am apostate, and that I am here because I want to learn about things I don’t understand about the Church. So, how exactly is that being prideful? Because I left, because I don’t believe in absolute truth? Because Rence and I disagree? I think that’s a pretty bold assumption.
 
CradleCath: oh my goodness, you’ve brought back some memories with the www.womenpriests.org link! Sometime last year I was linked there through another CAF thread and spent hours reading through their website and links. It couldn’t have been a good thing to do, but they are just so out there, it was fascinating to me in a sick way. Like a train wreck lol. I know several of them have made their own little “parishes” completely outside the umbrella of a recognized bishop. It’s funny how their big issue is supposedly women’s ordination…They say they won’t leave the Church because they do believe it’s the Church Christ founded, etc., etc…they love everything about it, the only problem is this issue with the priesthood, blah blah blah. But interestingly, when they do go out and make their own ilicit parishes, *everything *about them is different. I’ve seen pictures and videos of these places online. There’s nothing Catholic about these churches. The structure of the service, the decorating, liturgy, communion service, music, vestaments, homilies, prayers…*NOTHING *is done according to the rubrics. 🤷 It’s really a whole 'nother made-up religion.
 
CradleCath: oh my goodness, you’ve brought back some memories with the www.womenpriests.org link! Sometime last year I was linked there through another CAF thread and spent hours reading through their website and links. It couldn’t have been a good thing to do, but they are just so out there, it was fascinating to me in a sick way. Like a train wreck lol. I know several of them have made their own little “parishes” completely outside the umbrella of a recognized bishop. Which is all they can do, being excommunicated and all.

It’s funny how their big issue is supposedly women’s ordination…They say they won’t leave the Church because they do believe it’s the church that Christ founded…they love everything about it, the only problem is this issue with the priesthood, blah blah blah. But interestingly, when they do go out and make their own ilicit parishes, *everything *about them is different. I’ve seen pictures and videos of these places online. There’s nothing Catholic about these churches. The structure of the service, the decorating, the theology, “communion” service, music, vestaments, liturgy (homilies and prayers)…*NOTHING *is done according to the rubrics. 🤷 It’s really a whole 'nother made-up religion.
 
I was wondering what these ladies call themselves once they are ordained? Certainly not “Father”…perhaps “Mother”…but then that would be confusing because you have wonderful, orthodox, faithful Catholics who have that title, such as Mother Teresa or Mother Angelica…so what do these heterodox, fake priestesses call themselves once they are “supposedly” ordained?
 
I was wondering what these ladies call themselves once they are ordained? Certainly not “Father”…perhaps “Mother”…but then that would be confusing because you have wonderful, orthodox, faithful Catholics who have that title, such as Mother Teresa or Mother Angelica…so what do these heterodox, fake priestesses call themselves once they are “supposedly” ordained?
I don’t know if they all do this, but I know some of them prefer to go by “reverend” before their name. So it would be, Reverend Jane, or Reverend Smith, etc.
 
That makes me feel uncomfortable reading and saying that…its just weird and naturally just doesn’t sit well with me LOL :eek:
I don’t know if they all do this, but I know some of them prefer to go by “reverend” before their name. So it would be, Reverend Jane, or Reverend Smith, etc.
 
Hello all,
I thought I would jump in on this one with a fresh perspective. assuming that we all can agree on the premise that we were created in the image of God, and that God does not make mistakes; then God has a specific purpose for our life. As much as I could want to give birth to a child, it is not natural to my being (as a man). could it happen? who knows! the point being is that the act is not natural to my being. In a similar fashion, the priesthood (as vocation not a job) is *alter Cristus *(another Christ) who is married to his spouse (the Church). Sisters (noting that many serve outside convents) are the spouse of Christ. There is an order to creation, and there is an order to Vocation. The church holds women up in the highest of esteem (look at Mary also see Muleris Dignitatam). I guess my confusion lies in the fact that having women priests is not a changing of Church doctrine as much as it is a changing of Natural order vis a vis Vocation. our primary vocation (our Christian vocation) points us a priori to follow the direction and plan placed in our Hearts by God. So if we are looking at religious life and asking ourselves if the priesthood or sisterhood is better, I would have to say no. They are different, and so is the way that the respective vocation live out their lives of Love. Just as I love my wife, my wife loves me. there can’t be one without the other.
 
I don’t know if they all do this, but I know some of them prefer to go by “reverend” before their name. So it would be, Reverend Jane, or Reverend Smith, etc.
It ought to be “Irreverend Jane, or Irreverend Smith”.

Eddie Mac
 
It ought to be “Irreverend Jane, or Irreverend Smith”.

Eddie Mac
Did you make a funny? 😃

Cuz, I dunno…I thought it was funny. I wish I would have thought of that whan I was in high school. I would have had so much fun with it. :angel1:
 
Question : Who is the Greatest SAINT of all the SAINTS in Heaven - the SINGLE most powerful Saint - above all the Angels - and Doctors of the Church and above all the Popes and even above the Apostles themselves?

And when you answer that question - then the next one is

WOULD she have been greater in Heaven had she become a Priest?

So what is the Goal here? To have accolades from men and to appear great in this temporal world?

Or to serve GOD in humility?

When you can answer these questions and put them in perspective - then you will have your answer.

Pax
 
Hello all,
I thought I would jump in on this one with a fresh perspective. assuming that we all can agree on the premise that we were created in the image of God, and that God does not make mistakes; then God has a specific purpose for our life. As much as I could want to give birth to a child, it is not natural to my being (as a man). could it happen? who knows! the point being is that the act is not natural to my being. In a similar fashion, the priesthood (as vocation not a job) is *alter Cristus *(another Christ) who is married to his spouse (the Church). Sisters (noting that many serve outside convents) are the spouse of Christ. There is an order to creation, and there is an order to Vocation. The church holds women up in the highest of esteem (look at Mary also see Muleris Dignitatam). I guess my confusion lies in the fact that having women priests is not a changing of Church doctrine as much as it is a changing of Natural order vis a vis Vocation. our primary vocation (our Christian vocation) points us a priori to follow the direction and plan placed in our Hearts by God. So if we are looking at religious life and asking ourselves if the priesthood or sisterhood is better, I would have to say no. They are different, and so is the way that the respective vocation live out their lives of Love. Just as I love my wife, my wife loves me. there can’t be one without the other.
Thank you! Very well said and a fresh perspective:thumbsup:
 
Hello all,
I thought I would jump in on this one with a fresh perspective. assuming that we all can agree on the premise that we were created in the image of God, and that God does not make mistakes; then God has a specific purpose for our life. As much as I could want to give birth to a child, it is not natural to my being (as a man). could it happen? who knows! the point being is that the act is not natural to my being. In a similar fashion, the priesthood (as vocation not a job) is *alter Cristus *(another Christ) who is married to his spouse (the Church). Sisters (noting that many serve outside convents) are the spouse of Christ. There is an order to creation, and there is an order to Vocation. The church holds women up in the highest of esteem (look at Mary also see Muleris Dignitatam). I guess my confusion lies in the fact that having women priests is not a changing of Church doctrine as much as it is a changing of Natural order vis a vis Vocation. our primary vocation (our Christian vocation) points us a priori to follow the direction and plan placed in our Hearts by God. So if we are looking at religious life and asking ourselves if the priesthood or sisterhood is better, I would have to say no. They are different, and so is the way that the respective vocation live out their lives of Love. Just as I love my wife, my wife loves me. there can’t be one without the other.
👍 Beautiful and well explained!
 
Did you make a funny? 😃

Cuz, I dunno…I thought it was funny. I wish I would have thought of that whan I was in high school. I would have had so much fun with it. :angel1:
Yes, it was meant to be funny in a…irreverent sort of way!

Eddie Mac
 
:confused: Um, what? I’m not Protestant, because I am not Christian. Actually, if you read well, you would see that I am apostate, and that I am here because I want to learn about things I don’t understand about the Church. So, how exactly is that being prideful? Because I left, because I don’t believe in absolute truth? Because Rence and I disagree? I think that’s a pretty bold assumption.
i was determined to stay away from this wretched thread, but finally, couldnt resist poking my silly nose back in. Sorry Eris! Only the first line of that statement was meant for you. The rest was meant only for Rence. Fair enough; you say youre not even Christian, but your words are what a Protestant would say.
i was well aware that you don`t regard yourself as a Catholic. “Discordian”!
 
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