The origin of life

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Moonstruck888 said:
No I do not. The correction methods are not fullproof and you are obviously well outside your field of expertise, if you have one.
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Perhpas not totally foolproof but as rossum pointed out pretty darn good. That means evolution needs even more time. Time to increase the age of the earth.😉
 
buffalo said:
Perhpas not totally foolproof but as rossum pointed out pretty darn good. That means evolution needs even more time. Time to increase the age of the earth.😉
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Four and a half years by ten to the ninth is ample time.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
That is because the mechanisms that return all organisms to the orginal template are a fictional invention of yours.

Every lifeform on this planet is a transitional phase.
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Ooooohhh, be careful here. How sure are you? You better really check into this.

It is not fiction I can assure you as you look back on the vast number of peer reviewed links I posted show.
 
buffalo said:
Adam and Eve were genetically pure. Mutations started in their descendants. Correct - mutations a la evolution cannot work as fast as we see. Adaptation can. All organisms have 500 or so “core” immortal genes that are conserved. Similar to an erector set many components are called upon by the DNA code to build the body type. The mother’s cell is what determines and preserves the “kind”. The speed and responsiveness of adaptation is just know beginning to be understood.
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Do you seriously believe a word of what you’ve just said?

Benedict XVI himself, your infallible leader, accepts that Evolution and an old Earth are facts.

500 core genes that are conserved and immortal? How can they be immortal if 99.9% of organisms are extinct. What evidence do you have for any of this?
 
buffalo said:
Ooooohhh, be careful here. How sure are you? You better really check into this.

It is not fiction I can assure you as you look back on the vast number of peer reviewed links I posted show.
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Yeah, peer reviewed in Presbyterian Fundamentalist Nutter Monthly.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
Do you seriously believe a word of what you’ve just said?

Benedict XVI himself, your infallible leader, accepts that Evolution and an old Earth are facts.

500 core genes that are conserved and immortal? How can they be immortal if 99.9% of organisms are extinct. What evidence do you have for any of this?
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It is obvious you can now add papal infallibility to you need of research.

As I said look back over my posts. It is all there.
 
buffalo said:
It is obvious you can now add papal infallibility to you need of research.

As I said look back over my posts. It is all there.
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No sir, it’s all here.

“According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the ‘Big Bang’ and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5 - 4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism.” --Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, 2004.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
No sir, it’s all here.

“According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the ‘Big Bang’ and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5 - 4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism.” --Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, 2004.
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Hmmmm… According to the widely accepted account…

Read my signatures…

In any case let’s discuss the science.

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/picture.php?albumid=639&pictureid=4483
 
buffalo said:
Just curious… How many mutation attempts will it take to get from single cell to human? Do you know? How many successful attempts does it take?
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I don’t see any obvious way to answer that question.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
What science? The idea that some immortal supernatural force perserves the orginal genetic template of organisms? Come off it! If that’s what you believe, fine, but don’t try to pass that off as science.
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The latest science supports it.
 
buffalo said:
Perhaps I can make it easier. How many morphological changes?

Best guess?
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I don’t do guesses. You either know the answer to a question or you don’t.

I’ve tried to find information on the net and drawn a blank.
 
rossum said:
We are discussing ID. For the purposes of this discussion it is easier to take the designer as real and to try to elucidate the properties of that designer. One of the tactics used by the Discovery Institute is to try to say as little as possible about the properties of their designer. I am trying to shed more light on that area.

A great many things in everyday life are exceedingly improbable, yet they happen. How many different arrangements are possible for the air molecules in the room you are in? What are the chances of any one particular arrangement happening? Yet those exceedingly improbable events are happening every second in every room in the world. That is why Dr Dembski is correct to require a specification: mere improbability does not tell us a great deal since very improbable unspecified events happen very frequently.

Very Zen, “cut wood, carry water.” I am Buddhist so I believe that there is more to us than “simply chemicals”. Buddhism analyses a human being into five parts, only one of those parts – our physical body – is made up from chemicals.

rossum
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I suggest you start another thread where you can explore the properties of a hypothetical designer. This is about the origin of life.

Fact one - It can’t be done in a lab. To predict the future regarding this is to simply make a faith statement.

“This extraordinarily dense concentration of functional information, and the storage system that makes it possible, suggests design for several reasons. First, the amount of information present in even the simplest prokaryotic genome is orders of magnitude greater than previously assumed. Since the amounts previously known vastly exceeded the probabilistic resources of the universe, the origin of the volume of information now known to be stored in the genome is even more unlikely to have arisen by chance alone. As W.-Y. Chung, a bioinformatician at the Center for Comparitive Genomics and Bioinformatics at Penn State University, has noted, the existence of ‘dual coding’ and overlapping protein-coding reading frames, just one of many cellular innovations for concentrating genomic information, is ‘virtually impossible by chance.’”

Page 464 of Signature in the Cell by Stephen C. Meyer.

I could care less about the Institute with which he is associated.

God bless,
Ed
 
Moonstruck888 said:
No sir, it’s all here.

“According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the ‘Big Bang’ and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5 - 4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism.” --Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, 2004.
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If one scrolls down to the end of the document, one will see the names of the subcommission members who actually prepared the above from information given to them – “According to the widely accepted scientific account…” 😉
 
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