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There is something called the dark night of the soul, where a saint or other person is severely tempted by Satan to lose faith. As long as the person does not give in to the temptation, he does not sin.
BTW, Frank J, I just wanted to mention that there are cases of marriages between Catholic Croats and Serbian Orthodox which have turned out pretty nicely. So all is not lost in a hope that there can be peace and reconciliation between the two groups, in spite of the terrible problems of the past.
 
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Frank J, I just wanted to mention that there are cases of marriages between Catholic Croats and Serbian Orthodox which have turned out pretty nicely. So all is not lost in a hope that there can be peace and reconciliation between the two groups, in spite of the terrible problems of the past.
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What religion do the children of these marriages follow? I know that the RCC is insistent when a RCC marries a non-Catholic Christian (in a mixed marriage) that children be raised Catholic. Does the Catholic Church insist the same with the children born from a Catholic/Orthodox couple? Just curious. This is of some potential importance to me since I’m unmarried and becoming Orthodox, and hope to be married in the future.
 
Madaglan said:
What religion do the children of these marriages follow? I know that the RCC is insistent when a RCC marries a non-Catholic Christian (in a mixed marriage) that children be raised Catholic. Does the Catholic Church insist the same with the children born from a Catholic/Orthodox couple? Just curious.
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Local variations exist.

In parts of Slovakia and Ukraine it was understood the boys would be raised the father’s faith, the girls would be raised the mother’s.
 
Madaglan,

Which flavor(branch) of orthodoxy are you joining? Why that particular church?

I’m just barely hanging on to the Catholic faith. The thread that I started is very discouraging. It’s not helping me see the truth of Roman Catholicism.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=208427

I know it’s long but I would like to ask Orthodox christains to read it if they can and give their opinions if possible.
 
I will address each of your remarks.

First I would like to address bobzills chat. When I worked wit the Catholic Croats and Serbian Orthodox so did get along and others didn’t. You have to remember that they came from war time area when I got to know them. I first bump into them back in 1998 when I start working with the company I worked for.

Yes some of the marriages between between Catholic Croats and Serbian Orthodox did work and others didn’t. It depend on the couples.

Second one is Madaglan statement; your first question would be the same as the first one above. Your second question concerning Catholic/Orthodox couples is as follow. It is not possible for the children be raised Catholic. The Orthodox person would have to push to have the children raised Orthodox for if they do not they can be excommunicated from the Church. A Orthodox Christian can’t be married in the Catholic Church restrictions are there too. One would have to talk to a Orthodox Priest to see what is allowed.

My wife is not Christian I had to tell my wife that if we have kids they will be raised Orthodox Christian. I told her that she did not have a choice. I will fight tooth and nail on this subject. She told me that she understood my place and why I can not allow her to raised them Jewish.

Number three " ASimpleSinner " Your answer would be answer with the answer above. You should talk to your Orthodox Priest first and see restrictions in Orthodox Christian marriages. You can get into trouble with your priest. Best to talk first with him.

I have friends from Serbia whom I got to know real well as friends. One just got married just about one year ago. He married a Serbian girl from Serbia. She is a very nice gal and is very good hearted.

Until she came here to America she never know met a Catholics before. She asked what Catholics are like and she also asked a strange question of me. She asked me why Catholics hate Orthodox Christian per-say. She said that some Catholics treat her bad. In short I put it this way to her I said that there will be people that will hate her for who she is. Maybe it will be race or reigion or something else. I told her they have the problem.

I have had Catholic rip me for be Orthodox Christian and the ones I talk about are the Catholics that I use to know from my old Catholic parish. They told me that they don’t want to talk to me again.

I had to face anti Catholic junk that was directed at me and I also had the other way around and got spiritually hit by Catholics also.

So you could say that I seen both side of the fence.

GOD bless all.

Frank J.
 
Hi VARC,

Your asking an Orthodox Christian to answer your very long statement. I wouldn’t be able to answer, but you could ask an Orthodox Priest who could give you the correct answer so that there is not misunderstanding on that suject.

GOD bless.

Frank J.
 
Frank_J said:
Number three " ASimpleSinner " Your answer would be answer with the answer above. You should talk to your Orthodox Priest first and see restrictions in Orthodox Christian marriages. You can get into trouble with your priest. Best to talk first with him.
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The discipline on that varies.
 
Hi ASimpleSinner,

I’m a member of an OCA Church, and it is very strict in this part of pratices.

You may not know of the restrictions, remember you’re Byzantine Catholic not Orthodox Christian. Your Church is loss on marriage then my Church would be.

In what Eastern rite Church other then yours is it allowed???

I could find for your the Orthodox Teaching on Mix-marriages for you. I will need time to find it in my list of stuff that I read. Will get back to you on this subject.

I think I have it on teh OCA web site on teaching the faith.

Have a great day.

Frank J.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Yes, anything but.
  • "The Vatican maintained full ties with the Utashi government even amidst the mass murders and forced conversions. " That as the case may be, this error or rebaptism isn’t confirmed in a “guilt through association fashion” by maintained ties.
  • “According to the U.S. Treasury Department, millions of dollars were being held in the Vatican Bank by the Ustashi for safekeeping.” All the drachma, dubloons, dollars, yen or scheckels in the world in the Vatican bank (while having a nicely ominous ring to it) does not confirm or lend support to the idea that this abuse was in turn tacitly accepted. “They took Ustaschi money, they must think rebaptism is accetable”?
  • " I do not think the innocence of the Catholic hierarchy can be so facilely maintained." That innocence, one way or another is a non issue in the matter of rebaptism. Turning to this sad chapter in history and its abuse doesn’t confirm the abuse - it confirms how sad the abuse was. Rather like pograms in imperial Russia don’t demonstrate or speak to the ROC’s policy on evangelizing Jews.
  • “The Pope is not the Catholic Church.” Fair enough. The isolated abuses that pepper history, I in turn offer, are not then to be broadly painted or understood to be evidence of alternative acceptable theological options. They were wrong. Money in the bank or not.
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Rebaptism was condemned in the pontificate of Pope St. Stephen I (254-257), with the words nihil innovetur– “let there be no innovation.” Rebaptism is also rejected by the Council of Arles (314).
 
Originally Posted by VARC:
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Madaglan,
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Which flavor(branch) of orthodoxy are you joining? Why that particular church?
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I’m just barely hanging on to the Catholic faith. The thread that I started is very discouraging. It’s not helping me see the truth of Roman Catholicism.
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I’m joining ACROD. I attended a Ruthenian Catholic parish for about two years. I don’t what it is, but for some reason I am more spiritually at home in the Ruthenian/ACROD/OCA parishes than in other Eastern parishes. I went to a Melkite parish once, and I found the Arabic chanting somewhat off-putting personally. I like the Romanian Orthodox. I went to Romanian Orthodox Vespers a few weeks ago. It was very beautiful. I think the fact that I’m partially Slovak has something to do with it. My grandfather was born in Gocova, a small town in eastern Slovakia. I still have relatives there.

To be quite honest (and this probably sounds a bit weird) I feel more comfortable in the more ethnic environment of the Eastern parishes I’ve been to than in the more American/convert parishes. The parish I attend now is quote Orthodox in theology, in worship, but there’s that feel of an ethnic parish that is not quite there. Oh well. I love Ruthenian/ACROD chant. Some hymns we sang in the Ruthenian church sounded different from how we sing them in the ACROD church. I still like “Praise the Name of the Lord” better in the Ruthenian church than in the ACROD one.

I’m sorry that I can’t help you with the second paragraph.
 
jj2011 said:
Rebaptism was condemned in the pontificate of Pope St. Stephen I (254-257), with the words nihil innovetur– “let there be no innovation.” Rebaptism is also rejected by the Council of Arles (314).
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However, did the Church allow conditional rebaptism? And how do you explain the baptism of the Serbs in Croatia during WWII?
 
bobzills said:
However, did the Church allow conditional rebaptism? And how do you explain the baptism of the Serbs in Croatia during WWII?
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It would be explained as an abuse and an aberation where the church - even with the willingness of certain bishops or priests - was co-opted in a political ploy.

In no place where unias were effected is this found to have been the case.

This oft-returned to episode in recent history is an aberration and abuse.
 
Frank_J said:
Hi ASimpleSinner,

I’m a member of an OCA Church, and it is very strict in this part of pratices.

You may not know of the restrictions, remember you’re Byzantine Catholic not Orthodox Christian. Your Church is loss on marriage then my Church would be.

I think I have it on teh OCA web site on teaching the faith.
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This isn’t something I soon forget - I know I am Byzantine Catholic.

But that the OCA is far stricter on this - unto penalty of excommunication as you seem to imply, simply does not hold water with my experience. Exceptions can and do get made.

But if you have a link to the OCA website, I would be happy to take a look at it.
 
Hi ASimpleSinner,

Here is the web site, that I told you that I would send.

oca.org/

You will see on left hand side a list of different things and one of them will say “Questions and Answers” Click on this and it will take you to the next step. Go down to were you will see “The Sacrament of Marriage”. In this part you will see listings for any questions you would want answered.

Hope this will be helpful to you??

Have a great day.

Frank J.
 
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