The Orthodox church and marriage

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A Mormon said to me that they believe in eternal marriage, i.e. that if a couple is married in this life they will continue married in next life.

She also claimed that the Orthodox church believe the same thing.

Does anybody know if this is true?
 
I was a tonsured reader in the Antiochian Orthodox church before entering into communion with Rome.

The Mormon was half right about the Orthodox belief. In the Eastern marriage ceremony there is not “Until death do we part”. It is not dogma, but theological opinion among some orthodox that the marriage bond is unending. One such theologian is John Meyendorf. His book about marriage is available on Googlebooks

It’s simply opinion. Keep in mind that the Orthodox do allow divorce and up to 3 marriages.
 
I was a tonsured reader in the Antiochian Orthodox church before entering into communion with Rome.

The Mormon was half right about the Orthodox belief. In the Eastern marriage ceremony there is not “Until death do we part”. It is not dogma, but theological opinion among some orthodox that the marriage bond is unending. One such theologian is John Meyendorf. His book about marriage is available on Googlebooks

It’s simply opinion. Keep in mind that the Orthodox do allow divorce and up to 3 marriages.
Yes, this is true. It is not in the same sense as the OP’s Mormon friend is implying. Of course, the policy of 3 marriages is the maximum (and the exception, not the rule).

In Christ,
Andrew
 
A Mormon said to me that they believe in eternal marriage, i.e. that if a couple is married in this life they will continue married in next life.

She also claimed that the Orthodox church believe the same thing.

Does anybody know if this is true?
I believe that the Catholic belief is that marriage is not continuing on in heaven that there is not need for it for Marriage we are in union with God but we will be in union with God in heaven so their is not need for the marriage union . This has been mentioned on catholic radio before .
 
Can anyone please explain the Eastern Orthodox concept of “Eternal marriage?”

I know that this is something spiritual, unlike the Mormon and Muslim concepts. Beyond that, it is puzzling to me in light of Jesus’ exhortation that there is no marriage in the eternal (i.e., the Age of Ages).

What are the scriptural and patristic proofs for such a concept?

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Can anyone please explain the Eastern Orthodox concept of “Eternal marriage?”

I know that this is something spiritual, unlike the Mormon and Muslim concepts. Beyond that, it is puzzling to me in light of Jesus’ exhortation that there is no marriage in the eternal (i.e., the Age of Ages).

What are the scriptural and patristic proofs for such a concept?

Blessings,
Marduk
Yes, and how come the Orthodox church allow 3 marriages? why 3? why not 4 or 5?
 
All I can really offer right now is the actual service of betrothal and crowning. But from what I understand, the Orthodox view it as more of a spiritual bond. The home is a “little church” or “little kingdom”, where the parents being both martyred rule. In the West, it began to be view in more contractual terms. I won’t debate the merit (or lack) of that as I have no desire to, but that is how it is understood in Orthodoxy.

Widows and widowers, for example, are strongly encouraged to remain in such state so as to be faithful to their spouses who have become dead to the world (in the most literal sense), but alive in Christ.

Hope that helps somewhat.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
It’s simply opinion. Keep in mind that the Orthodox do allow divorce and up to 3 marriages.
:eek: I did not know that! My father (who is an Orthodox deacon) filed for divorce and then less than 2 years later got remarried. I remember bringing up the fact that getting a divorce and getting remarried is committing adultery in God’s eyes and he just brushed it off. The priest also had no problem marrying him for the second time and was actually happy for him. I did not understand why everyone in the church was okay with it. Now it makes sense. :nope:
 
All I can really offer right now is the actual service of betrothal and crowning. But from what I understand, the Orthodox view it as more of a spiritual bond. The home is a “little church” or “little kingdom”, where the parents being both martyred rule. In the West, it began to be view in more contractual terms. I won’t debate the merit (or lack) of that as I have no desire to, but that is how it is understood in Orthodoxy.

Widows and widowers, for example, are strongly encouraged to remain in such state so as to be faithful to their spouses who have become dead to the world (in the most literal sense), but alive in Christ.
That helps me out a bit, as far as what the Eastern Orthodox believe. But what I’m looking for are Scripture and patristic evidences that demonstrate or back up the teaching (is it right to call it a “teaching?”) or belief.

In Christ,
Greg
 
If I recall correctly, part of the idea around this is that to have no marriage in any way in Heaven would imply a kind of loss of memory, or other kinds of relations. So if a married couple had a child for instance, they still have, biologically speaking, a mother and father. So what is the relationship of the mother and father, through the child? Nothing? Or do they forget their entire life together?
 
Three marriages and two divorces are allowed in Orthodoxy, in opposition to the teaching of Jesus.

“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery” Mt 19:9 Orthodox Study Bible.

Footnote to Mt 19:9 OSB: *Divorce is permitted only for sexual immorality, which destroys a marriage . . . The reasons for divorce were eventually increased in the ancient Church to include threat to one partner’s life, desertion, and forced prostitution. The Orthodox Church may grant divorce, but regards it as a spiritual tragedy requiring great pastoral care. *

Okay for divorce. Are these the only reasons it is permitted? What about remarriage?

Why would the Orthodox Church not only condone adultery, but become complicit in it? It’s not the divorce – though it’s strange that a CHURCH would grant one – it’s the remarriage that’s most troubling.

This is another of those situations"between the individual(s) and the spiritual father." What the Scriptures say is overridden with the blessing of the OC.

Another reason I am Catholic and not Orthodox.

Jim Dandy
 
Three marriages and two divorces are allowed in Orthodoxy, in opposition to the teaching of Jesus.

"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" Mt 19:9 Orthodox Study Bible.
Not quite. Funny that the RCC forgets this clause in their “Annulment Tribunals”.
Footnote to Mt 19:9 OSB: *Divorce is permitted only for sexual immorality, which destroys a marriage . . . The reasons for divorce were eventually increased in the ancient Church to include threat to one partner’s life, desertion, and forced prostitution. The Orthodox Church may grant divorce, but regards it as a spiritual tragedy requiring great pastoral care. *
How are annulments any better? At least the Orthodox are honest about it instead of saying “this marriage never happened, because of this, that or the other.”
Okay for divorce. Are these the only reasons it is permitted? What about remarriage?
Why would the Orthodox Church not only condone adultery, but become complicit in it? It’s not the divorce – though it’s strange that a CHURCH would grant one – it’s the remarriage that’s most troubling.
What? :confused: We certainly do not condone adultery and you know that. I suggest looking at the above link I posted with the actual service in it, instead of relying on your mischaracterizations of my Church’s teachings.
This is another of those situations"between the individual(s) and the spiritual father." What the Scriptures say is overridden with the blessing of the OC.
Nope, not at all. Again, the Orthodox are being honest. A divorce is not granted just because someone feels like it. The reasons listed above from the OSB are the most common ones. Remarriage is not automatically granted either. There is a period of excommunication that occurs and penance prescribed (depending on how the divorce occurred) before one can even consider getting remarried.
Another reason I am Catholic and not Orthodox.
Because you sadly don’t know what Holy Orthodoxy teaches, but draw your own conclusions from silly presuppositions. 😦

In Christ,
Andrew
 
I don’t like divorce - I think it is a problem. But - it does in fact happen. I am not sure of the best way to deal with that. I find my thoughts on the theology of the Sacrament don’t quite match up with my observations about the actuality of it.

OTOH, I know the Catholic treatment of annulments really bothers me. I don’t mean people who are bigamists, or blind drunk in Los Vegas, I mean people who didn’t intend to have kids 30 years ago.

This is an attack of Sacraments as a whole, if the CC treated other sacraments the same way it does marriage every kid who has a parent pressure him to be confirmed, or baby baptized by a parent who doesn’t really teach the faith, would be a candidate for an annulment of those sacraments.

I find this not only theologically a problem, but it also flies against my observations and experience.
 
Okay for divorce. Are these the only reasons it is permitted? What about remarriage?

Why would the Orthodox Church not only condone adultery, but become complicit in it? It’s not the divorce – though it’s strange that a CHURCH would grant one – it’s the remarriage that’s most troubling.
Exactly. It is funny because when I asked my relatives if adultery is condoned they said of course not, but no one could give me an answer as to why it is okay for them to get remarried when the bible clearly says marrying someone who is divorced is committing adultery.

I asked the priest at my dad’s church that same question. He said if someone were to commit adultery then it is okay to divorce and remarry. I pointed out that that wasn’t the case with my parents.

Then the priest said it is okay to divorce and remarry if there is no way to fix the marriage. I pointed out that there was a way to fix their marriage and my mother was more than willing to work on the marriage but my father wanted the divorce because he wanted to start fresh with someone else.

This priest knew my parents situation very well and knew that a divorce was extreme in their situation. He didn’t tell my parents to work on their marriage and after the divorce he urged my dad to get remarried.

When I told my father I wasn’t going to go to his church wedding the priest, who is also a close friend of his, told me that I should go and support my father. After telling him that I didn’t believe in what they were doing because it went against the Bible, the priest told me that the reason why I wasn’t going was because I was jealous that he was marrying someone other than my mom. :rolleyes:
 
I don’t like divorce - I think it is a problem. But - it does in fact happen. I am not sure of the best way to deal with that. I find my thoughts on the theology of the Sacrament don’t quite match up with my observations about the actuality of it.

OTOH, I know the Catholic treatment of annulments really bothers me. I don’t mean people who are bigamists, or blind drunk in Los Vegas, I mean people who didn’t intend to have kids 30 years ago.

This is an attack of Sacraments as a whole, if the CC treated other sacraments the same way it does marriage every kid who has a parent pressure him to be confirmed, or baby baptized by a parent who doesn’t really teach the faith, would be a candidate for an annulment of those sacraments.

I find this not only theologically a problem, but it also flies against my observations and experience.
Well said, Bluegoat.

The Orthodox allowance of divorce in certain situations and remarriage 3 times was a hurdle for me, until finally I realized the Catholic Church’s teachings on annulment really didn’t, in practice, result in any greater sanctity of marriage.
 
This is an attack of Sacraments as a whole, if the CC treated other sacraments the same way it does marriage every kid who has a parent pressure him to be confirmed, or baby baptized by a parent who doesn’t really teach the faith, would be a candidate for an annulment of those sacraments.

I find this not only theologically a problem, but it also flies against my observations and experience.
But in Catholic theology, in the sacrament of marriage- the people getting married are the ministers of the sacrament- not the priest, who serves as a witness for the Church. In the case of a kid who is pressured into getting Confirmed or a baby whose parents don’t teach him/her the faith after baptism- the priest is the minster of the sacrament. That’s an important distinction as it pertains to annulments.
 
Exactly. It is funny because when I asked my relatives if adultery is condoned they said of course not, but no one could give me an answer as to why it is okay for them to get remarried when the bible clearly says marrying someone who is divorced is committing adultery.

I asked the priest at my dad’s church that same question. He said if someone were to commit adultery then it is okay to divorce and remarry. I pointed out that that wasn’t the case with my parents.

Then the priest said it is okay to divorce and remarry if there is no way to fix the marriage. I pointed out that there was a way to fix their marriage and my mother was more than willing to work on the marriage but my father wanted the divorce because he wanted to start fresh with someone else.

This priest knew my parents situation very well and knew that a divorce was extreme in their situation. He didn’t tell my parents to work on their marriage and after the divorce he urged my dad to get remarried.

When I told my father I wasn’t going to go to his church wedding the priest, who is also a close friend of his, told me that I should go and support my father. After telling him that I didn’t believe in what they were doing because it went against the Bible, the priest told me that the reason why I wasn’t going was because I was jealous that he was marrying someone other than my mom. :rolleyes:
That priest is sadly misinformed, if what you are saying is true. My prayers for you and your family.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
Well said, Bluegoat.

The Orthodox allowance of divorce in certain situations and remarriage 3 times was a hurdle for me, until finally I realized the Catholic Church’s teachings on annulment really didn’t, in practice, result in any greater sanctity of marriage.
Adding to that, a second marriage is not lauded as being the same as the first marriage. There is a big penitential tone to it, usually preceded by a period of penance on behalf of the person who was married once before. Sadly, what many non-Orthodox who think themselves experts on the subject (though I admit I am no expert on it either, and may never be) is that one of the most common reasons for a second marriage has to deal with the death of a spouse from the previous.

Though the Church would rather that person remain a widow/widower, she recognizes that not everyone can handle that. There is much to take into account and those who hastily disregard the three maximum rule, would do well to take that and other things into consideration.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
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