the our father.

[jersen05]

some religious leader told me that we miss-use the lords prayer. “your kingdom come”- he told me that the kingdom of is already here, so why ask for the kingdom to come? the kingdom is us, the members of the true church. the one who say “your kingdom com” are those who are not yet member of the church of god.

we say the lords prayer when there are calamities in life. example is when there are earth quakes, we ask god for “daily bread”? at that moment there is earth quake?

i was kinda offended thats why im asking your comments.

 

[Reuben_J]

some religious leader told me that we miss-use the lords prayer. “your kingdom come”- he told me that the kingdom of is already here, so why ask for the kingdom to come? the kingdom is us, the members of the true church. the one who say “your kingdom com” are those who are not yet member of the church of god.

While it is true that the ‘Kingdom is among us’, it is not among all, thus the prayer asking God to hasten this Kingdom which he promised as the new heaven and the new earth is apt. We look forward for this promise and we ask God for it to come. Prayer should not be self centered except for personal petition and intercession. As a family of God we want God ultimate objective to come to all His family members. It is the spirit of prayer – we always focus on God and His way.

God bless.

 

[LilyM]

Are you offended at the prayer or at the comments about it? If it’s at the prayer, well, Our Lord taught us to pray thus, are you really meaning to be offended at Him?

‘Daily bread’ to me stands for ALL our daily needs - obviously it encompasses the needs of those people who are in the earthquake - those needs are their ‘daily bread’ for that day.

For one thing people in earthquakes usually actually NEED food - bread. Imagine if your home and local stores were all flattened and all that stock of food was lying under metres of rubble - you’d probably be praying for bread or any other food God could provide for you!

 

[06convert]

The prayer isn’t so much about the kingdom as it is about asking for strength to do God’s will and the strength to forgive others.

 

[06convert]

On another note. This “religious leader” isn’t God. He shouldn’t be telling people how to pray.

 

[geometer]

The word kingdom in hebrew can mean kingdom, but it also means the reign of god and also the sovereignty. As it is used at the end of the prayer it would seem to mean the coming reign of god over the whole earth.

 

[thistle]

some religious leader told me that we miss-use the lords prayer. “your kingdom come”- he told me that the kingdom of is already here, so why ask for the kingdom to come? the kingdom is us, the members of the true church. the one who say “your kingdom com” are those who are not yet member of the church of god.

we say the lords prayer when there are calamities in life. example is when there are earth quakes, we ask god for “daily bread”? at that moment there is earth quake?

i was kinda offended thats why im asking your comments.

If you want to read an excellent commentary on every line in the Lord’s Prayer then I recommend the book Jesus Of Nazareth written by Pope Benedict XVI.

 

[COPLAND_3]

Along with Thistle’s great suggestion, I would also recommend the great commentary found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church on the Our Father. scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s2a3.htm#2803

II. “THY KINGDOM COME”

2816 In the New Testament, the word basileia can be translated by “kingship” (abstract noun), “kingdom” (concrete noun) or “reign” (action noun). The Kingdom of God lies ahead of us. It is brought near in the Word incarnate, it is proclaimed throughout the whole Gospel, and it has come in Christ’s death and Resurrection. The Kingdom of God has been coming since the Last Supper and, in the Eucharist, it is in our midst. The kingdom will come in glory when Christ hands it over to his Father:

It may even be . . . that the Kingdom of God means Christ himself, whom we daily desire to come, and whose coming we wish to be manifested quickly to us. For as he is our resurrection, since in him we rise, so he can also be understood as the Kingdom of God, for in him we shall reign.86
2817 This petition is “Marana tha,” the cry of the Spirit and the Bride: “Come, Lord Jesus.”

Even if it had not been prescribed to pray for the coming of the kingdom, we would willingly have brought forth this speech, eager to embrace our hope. In indignation the souls of the martyrs under the altar cry out to the Lord: “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?” For their retribution is ordained for the end of the world. Indeed as soon as possible, Lord, may your kingdom come!87
2818 In the Lord’s Prayer, “thy kingdom come” refers primarily to the final coming of the reign of God through Christ’s return.88 But, far from distracting the Church from her mission in this present world, this desire commits her to it all the more strongly. Since Pentecost, the coming of that Reign is the work of the Spirit of the Lord who "complete his work on earth and brings us the fullness of grace."89

2819 "The kingdom of God [is] righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."90 The end-time in which we live is the age of the outpouring of the Spirit. Ever since Pentecost, a decisive battle has been joined between “the flesh” and the Spirit.91

Only a pure soul can boldly say: “Thy kingdom come.” One who has heard Paul say, “Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies,” and has purified himself in action, thought and word will say to God: "Thy kingdom come!"92
2820 By a discernment according to the Spirit, Christians have to distinguish between the growth of the Reign of God and the progress of the culture and society in which they are involved. This distinction is not a separation. Man’s vocation to eternal life does not suppress, but actually reinforces, his duty to put into action in this world the energies and means received from the Creator to serve justice and peace.93

2821 This petition is taken up and granted in the prayer of Jesus which is present and effective in the Eucharist; it bears its fruit in new life in keeping with the Beatitudes.94

 

[Ignatius]

some religious leader told me that we miss-use the lords prayer. “your kingdom come”- he told me that the kingdom of is already here, so why ask for the kingdom to come? .

Although “the kingdom is among us”, When His kingdom has fully come “God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” Rev 21:4

This has not yet happend as far as I can see.

 

[NotWorthy]

Look at the New Jerusalem coming down at the end of Revelation.

THAT’S when the Kingdom has fully come. Until then, the Kingdom is only partially here.

 

[newyorkcatholic]

While it is true that the ‘Kingdom is among us’, it is not among all, thus the prayer asking God to hasten this Kingdom which he promised as the new heaven and the new earth is apt. We look forward for this promise and we ask God for it to come. Prayer should not be self centered except for personal petition and intercession. As a family of God we want God ultimate objective to come to all His family members. It is the spirit of prayer – we always focus on God and His way.

God bless.

Religious leader?? Ha, sounds very flaky. We could discuss arguments in detail, which is worthwhile. But the Lord’s Prayer is called that because we got it from OUR LORD. If I want to argue with non-Christians for their benefit with charity, that’s great. But no Christian can criticize this prayer and remain a Christian!

 

[Fox]

I have problems with the line “and lead us not into temptation”. God doesn’t lead people into temptation, we do this on our own. I subsitute this line with “protect us from the fall into temptation.”

 

[NotWorthy]

I have problems with the line “and lead us not into temptation”. God doesn’t lead people into temptation, we do this on our own. I subsitute this line with “protect us from the fall into temptation.”

Fr. Corapi says the Spanish translation is more accurate (and it seems to coincide with what you use). “… And do not let us fall into temptation.…”. When I say my Our Father’s privately, that’s the words I use.

 

[twinc]

Fr. Corapi says the Spanish translation is more accurate (and it seems to coincide with what you use). “… And do not let us fall into temptation.…”. When I say my Our Father’s privately, that’s the words I use.

it seems there is a lot more to thr Lord’s prayer than we have grasped for it seems amongst other things we cannot say the Lord’s prayer and ever once say I or my,Even when we pray for our daily bread we ask for some for our brothers - twinc

 

[NotWorthy]

it seems there is a lot more to thr Lord’s prayer than we have grasped for it seems amongst other things we cannot say the Lord’s prayer and ever once say I or my,Even when we pray for our daily bread we ask for some for our brothers - twinc

I gotta admit. It’s rarely that I can say this, but I agree with you Twinc.

The Church in Acts chapter 2 prayed as a community. The Lord’s Prayer is a community prayer! We are the Body of Christ!

Maranatha!

 

[Sancta_Rosa]

I have problems with the line “and lead us not into temptation”. God doesn’t lead people into temptation, we do this on our own. I subsitute this line with “protect us from the fall into temptation.”

Matthew’s Gospel was originally written in Hebrew and then later translated into Greek. In Greek the meaning isn’t so clear, but the original Hebrew translates into English as, -

‘Do not bring us into the hands of a test’

A ‘temptation’ can be a ‘test’, but a ‘test’ doesn’t always involve ‘temptation’. Unfortunately the key Greek word has both meanings whereas the Hebrew is very specific as to its meaning.