the over and incorrect usage of the word "Protestant"

[tbuley]

While much of your statement seems to bear truth…its seems that there exists a possibility that modern Lutherans, based on the different Lutheran denominational views that many have departed from the original teachings of Luther. Because he in fact did still embrace many, many, of the teachings of Catholicism. Yes?
monergism=Calvinism, no?

monergism=Calvinism, no? No, Lutherans believe it is the work of the Holy Spirit, we do not “decide”, we have an objective faith in Christ, not subjective faith in our selves and our works.

“many have departed from the original teachings of Luther. Because he in fact did still embrace many, many, of the teachings of Catholicism. Yes?”

The Idea of the Lutheran Reformation was to call the church on its error, Lutherans find themselves close to the RCC than many other denom.
Many have departed, yes this is the differance between a confessional Lutheran and one by name only,
Many of the RCC vote pro-choice.

 

[Harpazo]

Roman Church or Latin Church is the proper term to describe the Church that is headed by the Patriarch of the West (i.e. the Pope of Rome). Just like Maronite Church refers to the Church headed by the Patriarch of Antioch.

Sometimes people use it as a derrogatory term to refer to the whole Holy Catholic Church, because our visible unity is headed in Rome. It still doesn’t make it right though.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew

 

[Carl_Nicholas]

As the thread above states, the word Protestant is over used in this forum, as almost everywhere else. By the colloquial usage of the word, it can apply from very conservative Lutheran and Anglican churches that are almost identical in Theology to the Roman church, all the way to the most radical of fringe cults. Anyways, please be aware that anytime you make a general critique of Protestants or general assumption about their Theology, you are probably wrong, as the sheer diversity of views most likely provides a ready counter example to your point.

Hi ndismyhome,

Real simple in my view ( no offense intended )

Protesants are ALL ( 40,000 plus ) that left ( for whatever reason) the original Church that Christ established and left for all of us broken people.

God bless,
Carl

 

[bobzills]

Anglicans predate the Protestant Reformation, yet “reject papal authority and many elements of Roman Catholic doctrine”, so that would seem to fit the term. :

I am not sure if all Anglicans should be called Protestant. I heard that the Anglican liturgy ican be more reverent than many forms of celebration of the Catholic Mass. And if their line traces from either the Old Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox, then that would add another reason not to call them Protestant.

 

[RobHom]

monergism=Calvinism, no? No, Lutherans believe it is the work of the Holy Spirit, we do not “decide”, we have an objective faith in Christ, not subjective faith in our selves and our works.

“many have departed from the original teachings of Luther. Because he in fact did still embrace many, many, of the teachings of Catholicism. Yes?”

The Idea of the Lutheran Reformation was to call the church on its error, Lutherans find themselves close to the RCC than many other denom.
Many have departed, yes this is the differance between a confessional Lutheran and one by name only,
Many of the RCC vote pro-choice.

Thanks for your answer!!

 

[TriuneUnity]

Hi ndismyhome,

Real simple in my view ( no offense intended )

Protesants are ALL ( 40,000 plus ) that left ( for whatever reason) the original Church that Christ established and left for all of us broken people.

God bless,
Carl

I wish you guys would settle on a number (and provide accurate references for it)

 

[RobHom]

I am not sure if all Anglicans should be called Protestant. I heard that the Anglican liturgy ican be more reverent than many forms of celebration of the Catholic Mass. And if their line traces from either the Old Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox, then that would add another reason not to call them Protestant.

I tend to agree…and I have never really considered Anglicans to really be Protestants…after all, the split was not due to the Reformation but Henry VIII’s motives and desires. And I was never taught that they were not really Catholics.

 

[RobHom]

I wish you guys would settle on a number (and provide accurate references for it)

Me too!!

 

[Carl_Nicholas]

I wish you guys would settle on a number (and provide accurate references for it)

Hi TriuneUnity,

If I may, What does the number or references that you request have to do with it. Would you agree that there is atleast 4 ( not 40,000 or 34,458, or 12,821 ) OK let us settle on 4. Then there are 4 who ( for whatever reason they chose to seperate ) are protestant.

God bless,
Carl

 

[TriuneUnity]

Hi TriuneUnity,

If I may, What does the number or references that you request have to do with it. Would you agree that there is atleast 4 ( not 40,000 or 34,458, or 12,821 ) OK let us settle on 4. Then there are 4 who ( for whatever reason they chose to seperate ) are protestant.

God bless,
Carl

The number itself is irrelevent, however, in the words of the apostle Paul “Not all who are descended from Protestants are Protestant.” (Ok Ok, he didn’t say that, but you know what I mean).

If we settle on 4 (Anglicans, Reformed, Lutheran, and maybe we’ll include Reformed Baptists for giggles), I would agree with that.

 

[RobHom]

The number itself is irrelevent, however, in the words of the apostle Paul “Not all who are descended from Protestants are Protestant.” (Ok Ok, he didn’t say that, but you know what I mean).

If we settle on 4 (Anglicans, Reformed, Lutheran, and maybe we’ll include Reformed Baptists for giggles), I would agree with that.

Gee, there you go again… And here we were just agreeing that Anglicans weren’t Protestants…

 

[TriuneUnity]

Gee, there you go again… And here we were just agreeing that Anglicans weren’t Protestants…

They are; they are just in denial. As far as I can see the only “Catholic” Anglicans are the churches that belong to the Traditional Anglican Communion. Catholic in doctrine, I mean (that is, they don’t affirm sola fide, etc).

 

[RobHom]

They are; they are just in denial. As far as I can see the only “Catholic” Anglicans are the churches that belong to the Traditional Anglican Communion. Catholic in doctrine, I mean (that is, they don’t affirm sola fide, etc).

I think we are finding through this why there is so much confusion…yes?

BTW, I sent you a PM.

 

[TriuneUnity]

I think we are finding through this why there is so much confusion…yes?

BTW, I sent you a PM.

I just haven’t figured Anglicans out yet. I gave up trying long ago. Although if I weren’t Lutheran, I’d probably be Anglican.

Edit: The Anglicans who follow the 39 Articles, I would consider thoroughly Protestant.

 

[Joe_5859]

I wish you guys would settle on a number (and provide accurate references for it)

The source is the World Christian Encyclopedia. There was a thread about this a little while ago. PhilVaz spelled it out pretty well in post #11 and linked to an article on his website that goes into greater detail. In the study, any denomination that is present in more than one country is counted separately for each country, so the number is a bit inflated, but there are still more denominations than there should be.

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

As the thread above states, the word Protestant is over used in this forum, as almost everywhere else. By the colloquial usage of the word, it can apply from very conservative Lutheran and Anglican churches that are almost identical in Theology to the Roman church, all the way to the most radical of fringe cults. Anyways, please be aware that anytime you make a general critique of Protestants or general assumption about their Theology, you are probably wrong, as the sheer diversity of views most likely provides a ready counter example to your point.

The problem is the sheer diversity of their views.

 

[Pong]

Roman Church or Latin Church is the proper term to describe the Church that is headed by the Patriarch of the West (i.e. the Pope of Rome).

According to the good lads at EWTN, you are incorrect. The correct term is “Latin Rite,” when the designation needs to be made.

 

[TriuneUnity]

The source is the World Christian Encyclopedia. There was a thread about this a little while ago. PhilVaz spelled it out pretty well in post #11 and linked to an article on his website that goes into greater detail. In the study, any denomination that is present in more than one country is counted separately for each country, so the number is a bit inflated, but there are still more denominations than there should be.

Yeah, and according to that same source, there are 200+ Roman Catholic denominations. Would you consider that accurate?

 

[notsmart]

Since everyone loves getting unsolicted advice, I thought I would give some.

I think if not the representatives of all these groups, but at least all the fourm members who pick one to represent each group, would spend 8 hours together, you may see a huge change.

The day would go like this:

No bibles, or clothing with any religious stuff on it, no speaking of religion at all allowed. No praying, or any other thing christians do.
No singing religious songs.
Nothing at all.

Just, unlimited golf, barbeque contests, games (catholics get to run the bingo) lots of food, non religious music, a stocked bar, a pool, and did I say food?

then, at the end of the day, you all can go back to this: :nope: :crying: :whacky:

I bet all this would shake out nicely if you did try it.

 

[Joe_5859]

Yeah, and according to that same source, there are 200+ Roman Catholic denominations. Would you consider that accurate?

Yes, the reason is that, as I stated in my post, they count the Catholic Church in each country as a separate denomination. It’s not the best method, but it doesn’t make the statistics worthless. You just have to recognize their limitations.