The Pope in the eyes of Eastern Catholics

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I just read on a comment on YouTube, that Eastern Catholics view the Pope as symbolic, and not authoritive. But, that is not what the Eastern Code of Canon Law says.
Am I mistaken?

All Catholics must belive that the Pope is the Head of the Church, with Authoritative power! He is the Vicar of Christ!
 
"… a comment on YouTube, that Eastern Catholics view the Pope as symbolic, and not authoritive."

I realize that there is a variety of opinion among Eastern Catholics on the subject, but that position (as you have described it here) seems extreme and might even be considered heretical. I don’t think that speaking in generalities about what individual Eastern Catholics usually believe is possible, despite formal pronouncements of the particular hierarchies or canons mandated by the Vatican.

To scratch the surface on this subject, one might read this thread for starters, and search the archives for more.
 
I just read on a comment on YouTube, that Eastern Catholics view the Pope as symbolic, and not authoritive. But, that is not what the Eastern Code of Canon Law says.
Am I mistaken?

All Catholics must belive that the Pope is the Head of the Church, with Authoritative power! He is the Vicar of Christ!
The Pope is the Pope for all Catholics. All Catholics have the same essential understanding of the Pope.
 
I am going by Church teaching, not by this forum.
Even that is not entirely clear, judging from some of the responses here. I am merely pointing out that what one person thinks the church teaches may not be what anyone else thinks the church teaches, and especially on this particular section of CAF the whole thing is a craps shot.

One does not have to dig very deep to see that. 🙂

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Craps.jpg
Place your bets!
 
"… a comment on YouTube, that Eastern Catholics view the Pope as symbolic, and not authoritive."

I realize that there is a variety of opinion among Eastern Catholics on the subject, but that position (as you have described it here) seems extreme and might even be considered heretical. I don’t think that speaking in generalities about what individual Eastern Catholics usually believe is possible, despite formal pronouncements of the particular hierarchies or canons mandated by the Vatican.

To scratch the surface on this subject, one might read this thread for starters, and search the archives for more.
Thanks for the link, but it really doesn’t answer my question 🙂 😦
The Pope is the Pope for all Catholics. All Catholics have the same essential understanding of the Pope.
Exactly, so why would some Eastern Catholics deny this?
 
No Catholic, no matter the right and tradition may consider the Papacy as being purely symbolic. The teachings on the Papacy are dogmatic, that is to say it must be accepted by every single Catholic.

Whoever made the youtube video you are referencing is in error. Does this come from a trusted Eastern Catholic Source?
 
No point in repeating myself so I’ll just reference a [post=6650779]post[/post] I made in another [thread=450634]thread[/thread].
 
LoyalViews,
A Bishop has the fullness of the faith and can ordain Deacons, Priests, and even other Bishops. Who is the Pope? The Pope is a Bishop of Rome. He also has a few other titles and responsibilities, a few even eclipse other Bishops. The Patriarchs are his equals in their perspective suri irius churches. However, and this is the part that grieves some people. The Pope has the singular distinction of being the last seat of Peter( remember Antioch was his first), and Peter is the rock upon which the church is built. So the Patriarchs stand with the Pope yet out of respect they will defer to him. That is why in the Catholic churches even though the Patriarchs can ordain their own Bishops, they still forward the list of candidates to the Pope for his blessing. It’s more a matter of protocal than anything else.
 
Many Eastern Catholics, in obedience to the Vatican’s mandate that we be fully what we are, i.e. “Orthodox Christians in Communion with Rome,” maintain a vision of the papacy that is somewhat more in line with what Holy Orthodoxy sees as being the papacy’s role. Christ is the head of the Church, not the pope. The pope is the “Patriarch of the West” (a title sadly not adopted by Pope Benedict XVI), and as such he has direct relevance only for Western (i.e. Roman, Mozarabic, Ambrosian, etc.) Catholics. The Eastern Catholic Churches all have their own heirarchical structure. For example, the primate of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church is Patriarch Gregorios III (Laham). He occupies the first chair within the Synod of Bishops for the Melkites. I don’t know that I would go so far as to say he is the “head” of the Melkite Church. He is more like the “older brother” among the other Melkite bishops, each of whom are the primates of their own eparchies (diocese) and are equally entrusted with preaching the Gospel and maintaining Holy Tradition in their own eparchy.

On the Universal level the Pope operates in much the same “older brother” fashion. He is there to guide and give advice when that guidance and advice is sought after, but he ought not to meddle in the affairs of other particular churches unless called upon by those churches to do so. Sadly this is not always lived out.

I hope this helps a little. The situation of Eastern Catholics is really somewhat of a gray area, maybe better understood as a battlefield. We are the Easterners who live out that future communion between Catholics and Orthodox that is being so ardently sought after right now. As such we are often misunderstood by our Western brethren because we “think like Orthodox, act like Orthodox, walk like Orthodox, talk like Orthodox, celebrate Liturgy like Orthodox,” etc. Many of us, taking seriously the words of Cardinal Ratzinger in a number of his writings and lectures, even reject Western dogmas that were declared after the East/West Schism. We don’t reject them as heresy; we simply reject them as being outside of our Patrimony, outside of our Tradition (a Tradition equally as ancient and venerable as that of the Latin West). As a result of this we are often seen as not “Catholic enough” for Roman Catholics. Conversely, however, since we recognize that there is something important about the “Petrine Ministry,” we are also often seen as not “Orthodox enough” for the Orthodox.

Be that as it may, we are what we are. Personally I believe that when unity is finally achieved both the Orthodox and Catholic parties will have much to be grateful for to those Eastern Catholics who were courageous and bold enough to fully live the Eastern Tradition, despite the opposition, misunderstanding, oppression, and persecution that they have suffered through over the centuries.
 
That is why in the Catholic churches even though the Patriarchs can ordain their own Bishops, they still forward the list of candidates to the Pope for his blessing. It’s more a matter of protocal than anything else.
Perhaps so in the de jure realm but not at all in the de facto realm. The fact is they send that list to Rome because Rome demands it. It has happened where Rome has nixed the entire list and threatened to impose a bishop on its own unless a new (read: acceptable) list was sent. It was. The show continues.
 
Even that is not entirely clear, judging from some of the responses here. I am merely pointing out that what one person thinks the church teaches may not be what anyone else thinks the church teaches, and especially on this particular section of CAF the whole thing is a craps shot.

One does not have to dig very deep to see that. 🙂

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Craps.jpg
Place your bets!
Can you be more specific? Are you saying something I said is contrary to Church teaching? If so, I would sincerely appreciate clarifying what I said. Thanks.
 
Can you be more specific? Are you saying something I said is contrary to Church teaching? If so, I would sincerely appreciate clarifying what I said. Thanks.
I am saying that many Catholics here do not agree with your interpretation. It is my observation that they are all over the place.

My earliest comment here was: “I realize that there is a variety of opinion among Eastern Catholics on the subject …”. And as a non-Catholic I don’t know who’s interpretation to believe, yours or that of so many others.

On first guess I would accept yours over the others, and I have posted that position much many times here but the simple fact is a lot of bandwidth has been squandered on the subject because there is no consensus among the faithful Catholics who regularly post in this section.
 
I don’t know of any Eastern Catholics who deny it. Do you?
I most certainly am NOT denying that 🙂 The ^Pope has universal authority of the church, and all the sui iuris churches in the Catholic Church. The Pope has the most authority in the church, more than all the patriarchs and bishops and cardinals, priests and deacons, for he is the Pope! The Successor of St. Peter! He has God-given authority, Christ gave that authority to St. Peter, and there has been an unbroken line since! But, the comment I saw (which was posted by a Ukrainian Catholic) said that
Not to be blunt, but the pope actually means very little to Eastern Catholics. He’s more of a symbolic head of the church than an authoritative head.
Thats heresy!

Here is the link to the video, with the full comment. It is a reply.
youtube.com/watch?v=MNwJk0hSD3s
 
I am saying that many Catholics here do not agree with your interpretation. It is my observation that they are all over the place.

My earliest comment here was: “I realize that there is a variety of opinion among Eastern Catholics on the subject …”. And as a non-Catholic I don’t know who’s interpretation to believe, yours or that of so many others.

On first guess I would accept yours over the others, and I have posted that position much many times here but the simple fact is a lot of bandwidth has been squandered on the subject because there is no consensus among the faithful Catholics who regularly post in this section.
I don’t know if many Catholics agree or not. I’m interested in knowing if what I said is coherent with Church teaching or not (after all, many Catholics disagree with Church teaching).
 
I most certainly am NOT denying that 🙂 The ^Pope has universal authority of the church, and all the sui iuris churches in the Catholic Church. The Pope has the most authority in the church, more than all the patriarchs and bishops and cardinals, priests and deacons, for he is the Pope! The Successor of St. Peter! He has God-given authority, Christ gave that authority to St. Peter, and there has been an unbroken line since! But, the comment I saw (which was posted by a Ukrainian Catholic) said that
Thats heresy!

Here is the link to the video, with the full comment. It is a reply.
youtube.com/watch?v=MNwJk0hSD3s
He does not have more authority than an Ecumenical Council.
 
He does not have more authority than an Ecumenical Council.
Pastor Aeternus does not agree with you there. Sadly it states that the Pope has authority even over that of an Ecumenical Council. Just one more reason that I regard Vatican I only as a “general synod of the West,” not Ecumenical, and therefore not universally binding.
 
Pastor Aeternus does not agree with you there. Sadly it states that the Pope has authority even over that of an Ecumenical Council. Just one more reason that I regard Vatican I only as a “general synod of the West,” not Ecumenical, and therefore not universally binding.
Good point. I realize that the term “ecumenical council” is not the best when referring to any council often called such by the Catholic Church other than the first seven. “General” council may be a better term. Yet, the Catholic Church does consider such Councils binding, though to what degree and in what ways all of a given Council’s teachings are still binding is determined by the Magisterium. So, even though Pastor Aeternus may disagree with the idea that the Pope has authority over an ecumenical council, simply, that’s not what the Magisterium teaches.
 
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