The Pope in the first millennium? Up for debate now?

[Future_Prodigy]

After posting a discussion in the eastern catholic forum I thought I’d be better able to discuss this issue among other non-catholics in this sub forum.

I have just recently read a document from catholic culture on ongoing talks between Orthodoxy and Catholicism: catholicculture.org/news/…m?storyid=7732

After reading this, I started to become troubled with certain questions. If the Church is willing to allow the Orthodox to accept a papal position reflective of first millennium Christianity… it seems this would cause other theological ripples. As an Anglican discerning conversion to Rome for the last couple years the papacy has been the major hurdle for me to get over. If Rome is now saying that it might allow such a theological stance to be taken, I can’t help but think that my church along with Lutheranism and other denominations would never have come in to existence. Obviously there was other underlying causes but the papacy was a major instigating issue, for many believers it was the sole reason for reformation precipitating factor (the repudiation of papal authority). Allowing a first century interpretation affirms a lot of what classical protestantism has been saying for centuries does it not!?

I don’t understand this move, and it has further complicated my thinking - as I have been doing extensive reading on first millennium Christianity hoping to solve some of my issues (essentially seeing from these sources, that the Pope did in deed have a universal jurisdictional authority and was not a later development). Is the church, in its attempt at ecumenism, now invalidating centuries of historical thought, and numerous apologetics which have sought to maintain a modern understanding of the pope in the first millennium!?

Please someone who is more knowledgeable on this topic than I, speak up.

 

[mardukm]

After posting a discussion in the eastern catholic forum I thought I’d be better able to discuss this issue among other non-catholics in this sub forum.

I have just recently read a document from catholic culture on ongoing talks between Orthodoxy and Catholicism: catholicculture.org/news/…m?storyid=7732

After reading this, I started to become troubled with certain questions. If the Church is willing to allow the Orthodox to accept a papal position reflective of first millennium Christianity… it seems this would cause other theological ripples. As an Anglican discerning conversion to Rome for the last couple years the papacy has been the major hurdle for me to get over. If Rome is now saying that it might allow such a theological stance to be taken, I can’t help but think that my church along with Lutheranism and other denominations would never have come in to existence. Obviously there was other underlying causes but the papacy was a major instigating issue, for many believers it was the sole reason for reformation precipitating factor (the repudiation of papal authority). Allowing a first century interpretation affirms a lot of what classical protestantism has been saying for centuries does it not!?

I don’t understand this move, and it has further complicated my thinking - as I have been doing extensive reading on first millennium Christianity hoping to solve some of my issues (essentially seeing from these sources, that the Pope did in deed have a universal jurisdictional authority and was not a later development). Is the church, in its attempt at ecumenism, now invalidating centuries of historical thought, and numerous apologetics which have sought to maintain a modern understanding of the pope in the first millennium!?

Please someone who is more knowledgeable on this topic than I, speak up.

I don’t understand what you think “universal jurisdictional authority” means. Can you please explain? What Catholic apologetics have you read that makes you think Catholic ecclesiology today would be upended by the standard of the first millenium?

Have you ever read my posts on the distinction between the Absolutist Petrine, High Petrine and Low Petrine ecclesiologies?

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Jacob50]

After posting a discussion in the eastern catholic forum I thought I’d be better able to discuss this issue among other non-catholics in this sub forum.

I have just recently read a document from catholic culture on ongoing talks between Orthodoxy and Catholicism: catholicculture.org/news/…m?storyid=7732

After reading this, I started to become troubled with certain questions. If the Church is willing to allow the Orthodox to accept a papal position reflective of first millennium Christianity… it seems this would cause other theological ripples. As an Anglican discerning conversion to Rome for the last couple years the papacy has been the major hurdle for me to get over. If Rome is now saying that it might allow such a theological stance to be taken, I can’t help but think that my church along with Lutheranism and other denominations would never have come in to existence. Obviously there was other underlying causes but the papacy was a major instigating issue, for many believers it was the sole reason for reformation precipitating factor (the repudiation of papal authority). Allowing a first century interpretation affirms a lot of what classical protestantism has been saying for centuries does it not!?

I don’t understand this move, and it has further complicated my thinking - as I have been doing extensive reading on first millennium Christianity hoping to solve some of my issues (essentially seeing from these sources, that the Pope did in deed have a universal jurisdictional authority and was not a later development). Is the church, in its attempt at ecumenism, now invalidating centuries of historical thought, and numerous apologetics which have sought to maintain a modern understanding of the pope in the first millennium!?

Please someone who is more knowledgeable on this topic than I, speak up.

Hmm while I don’t fully understand your question, I do see its all about papal supremacy. If your interested, click on the link below my signature for many quotes on Papal primacy where I included some supremacy quotes also. You must be logged in on google btw.