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It seems since Pope Benedict began his pontificate, he has been endorsing more and more traditional Liturgies. Have you noticed? I think it is a good thing, but it has been subtle. I just read somewhere that the Vatican will be releasing something on Latin. I forgot what it was, but it certainly sounds traditional. I am just wondering if anyone else has noticed.
 
do you not remember back when he was elected…how many Catholics were excited because he was the conservative Pope we needed at such a critical time in the Church???
 
Oh yes, I’ve noticed. God willing, if he says in good health, he’ll lead us out of the mess.

He is in my prayers daily.
 
Image_of_God said:
It seems since Pope Benedict began his pontificate, he has been endorsing more and more traditional Liturgies. Have you noticed? I think it is a good thing, but it has been subtle. I just read somewhere that the Vatican will be releasing something on Latin. I forgot what it was, but it certainly sounds traditional. I am just wondering if anyone else has noticed.
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Going back to our traditions and getting out of the modernisms that has a death grip on our society.

The Latin you may be thinking of… I think it may have to due with the Vatican website putting a Latin section there.

Paul
 
Image_of_God said:
It seems since Pope Benedict began his pontificate, he has been endorsing more and more traditional Liturgies. Have you noticed? I think it is a good thing, but it has been subtle. I just read somewhere that the Vatican will be releasing something on Latin. I forgot what it was, but it certainly sounds traditional. I am just wondering if anyone else has noticed.
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Yeah, the Pallium he used was an ancient form, not like the ones used in more recent times. He actually wears his Fisherman’s Ring – something also not done in recent times.

His Master of Ceremonies, I am told, is more traditionally-leaning that his predecessor.

He recently declined use of the Pastoral Staff (or Crosier) of Paul VI in favour of one from Pius IX.

He uses a certain type of mozzetta and camauro which most recent popes haven’t used.

Though, oddly enough, he didn’t use the tiara, and dropped it from the Coat of Arms.
 
I don’t think that he has changed. I did an extensive paper on The Theology of Joseph Ratzinger when I was a student at the seminary. I was perplexed by all of the talk that he had been a “liberal voice” at Vatican II, then had become an “arch-conservative”.
I read everything I could find by Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict and I came to the following conclusions:
  1. He is BRILLIANT (and holy)!!
  2. He was never a “liberal” nor is he now an “arch-conservative”, rather, he is Catholic!
  3. He has always been the same level-headed, not-jumping-on-bandwagons kind of guy…he has always advocated Ressourcement - a return to the sources and has always had Augustinian leanings…in fact, his doctoral work, if I recall correctly, was on Augustine.
  4. I agree with him 100% and love his work.
  5. It is far better to read him than to read what other people say about him!
  6. He is EXACTLY who we need at this time in history…and if folks had listened to him all along, well, let’s just say the world would be a much better place.
    Hooray for Pope Benedict XVI! 🙂
    My favorite Cardinal ratzinger quotation: “Truth is not decided by a majority vote” 👍
    ***Just an aside, I actually wanted to do my exit thesis on the theology of Joseph Ratzinger, but was informed that I could not do so because it was “too controversial a topic around here.” :eek:
 
JesuXPIPassio said:
Yeah, the Pallium he used was an ancient form, not like the ones used in more recent times. He actually wears his Fisherman’s Ring – something also not done in recent times.

His Master of Ceremonies, I am told, is more traditionally-leaning that his predecessor.

He recently declined use of the Pastoral Staff (or Crosier) of Paul VI in favour of one from Pius IX.
He uses a certain type of mozzetta and camauro which most recent popes haven’t used.

Though, oddly enough, he didn’t use the tiara, and dropped it from the Coat of Arms.
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I think this one tends to get a bit overblown. There are pictures with the Pope using the Crosier of Pope Paul VI. So it would be a mistake to interpret his use of the Crosier of Pope Pius IX as a wholesale rejection of the more recent crozier.

Not like it really matters, I suppose. 🤷

like the new one too, but I rather prefer Paul VI. 😃
 
SisterSnowflake said:
I don’t think that he has changed. I did an extensive paper on The Theology of Joseph Ratzinger when I was a student at the seminary. I was perplexed by all of the talk that he had been a “liberal voice” at Vatican II, then had become an “arch-conservative”.
I read everything I could find by Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict and I came to the following conclusions:
  1. He is BRILLIANT (and holy)!!
  2. He was never a “liberal” nor is he now an “arch-conservative”, rather, he is Catholic!
  3. He has always been the same level-headed, not-jumping-on-bandwagons kind of guy…he has always advocated Ressourcement - a return to the sources and has always had Augustinian leanings…in fact, his doctoral work, if I recall correctly, was on Augustine.
  4. I agree with him 100% and love his work.
  5. It is far better to read him than to read what other people say about him!
  6. He is EXACTLY who we need at this time in history…and if folks had listened to him all along, well, let’s just say the world would be a much better place.
    Hooray for Pope Benedict XVI! 🙂
    My favorite Cardinal ratzinger quotation: “Truth is not decided by a majority vote” 👍
    ***Just an aside, I actually wanted to do my exit thesis on the theology of Joseph Ratzinger, but was informed that I could not do so because it was “too controversial a topic around here.” :eek:
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Thank you for that post 👍
 
thistle said:
Here is a really good website:

ratzingerfanclub.com/
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God bless Pope Benedict XVI . God bless his intentions. Lord protect him from all evil, all harm - physical and spiritual. Send your angels to guard and aide him against the traps and snares of Lucifer.

Sancte Michael Arcangele defendenos in proelio, contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli, esto praesidium.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
 
I think Benedict is definitely what is needed for this modernistic outlook of what church and faith should be, and actually points quite strongly on what the church/faith should be. The truth that is, is upheld, and will continue long after we are gone are present in one place, the Catholic Church. I don’t know if any other person could have filled these shoes at this time in history. I definitely enjoyed his visit to the U.S. and look forward to seeing what else he has to say/do.
 
Please please PLEASE check out the article
The Year of Two Popes from the Atlantic Monthly.
It compares and contrasts Benedict to his predicessors very shharply (ignore the stuff about the politics of the election).

theatlantic.com/doc/200601/ratzinger
 
POPE BENEDICT XVI is the hope of the Church! He is great! Just look at him! He is 80 years old and since he has become pope he looks 10 years younger! You know people in America are complaining about McCain because he is old and all he has to do is run one little country (OK not so little)! But the pope at age 80 has to control 2 billion people all over the globe, and he has to worry about their souls, the president only has to worry about the people in his country’s physical stuff.

When he was elected pope, my family was so happy! We were worried because he was so old, but we were overjoyed that we got such a conservative pope. You know, I never thought about it before, but I wonder why so many of the cardinals chose such a conservative man? Are they hiding their true conservativeness?:confused:😛 Well they do a good job of it huh?

Anyways, YES we notice that he is conservative, we noticed before he became pope and we thank God daily for giving him to us as pope! He is a great man and he is so alive and vial, it is a relief after poor Pope John Paul II. I always felt a little pained when I saw him trying to walk around, but Pope Benedict is almost like a little boy!

He loves the TLM, he loves the Latin, he loves all the pomp and circumstance, the smells and bells of the Church, but after decades in the Vatican, he knows how to get things done, slowly but surely. He is perfect for the job!

Today is the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart! So you don’t have to fast from meat or anything, today is a great feast day! Thank Our Lord for his great mercy and ask St. Margaret Mary Alacoque and St. Claude de la Colombier for their intercession! (I was born on the feast of the Sacred Heart and my confirmation name is after St. Margaret Mary thus Margarite;))!
 
There are pictures of Ratzinger as a young priest saying Mass in a suit and tie; I saw one where he and Karl Rahner were sitting together in Vatican II both in suit and tie.

However, his papacy has been noted by a rise in traditionalism, both in Rome and outside Rome.
 
Sense I’m still young Benedict is my “first pope”. I was not catholic when John Paul was around. I like him, I really respect him as he is at the moment.
 
piouswoman said:
I believe this pope gives with one hand and takes with another. In my opinion he is not the conservative that some believe him to be. Pope Benedict was one of the “periti” that sat on the council at Vatican II. That speaks volumes. He is a modern mind, formed by modern philosophy, and when formation of the mind and soul is made, it sticks.

traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_031_RatzingerCouterSyllabus.htm
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That was over 40 years ago. Remember Pope Pius IX used to be a liberal and he changed.
 
Again, I must ask everyone to READ HIS WORK, not what people have to say about him or his work…this will make a BIG difference! 👍

Commentators, journalists, and others all necessarily put their own “spin” on things…be very careful not to form your opinions based on this type of thing…read the real thing. 😉
 
piouswoman said:
I believe this pope gives with one hand and takes with another. In my opinion he is not the conservative that some believe him to be. Pope Benedict was one of the “periti” that sat on the council at Vatican II. That speaks volumes. He is a modern mind, formed by modern philosophy, and when formation of the mind and soul is made, it sticks.

traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_031_RatzingerCouterSyllabus.htm
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How pathetic.

This is SWEET CHRIST ON EARTH of whom you speak!

But then, you’re a non-Catholic, as was evident from the other threads, so…whatever. Go off to your Lefebvrite cave.
 
SisterSnowflake said:
I don’t think that he has changed. I did an extensive paper on The Theology of Joseph Ratzinger when I was a student at the seminary. I was perplexed by all of the talk that he had been a “liberal voice” at Vatican II, then had become an “arch-conservative”.
I read everything I could find by Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict and I came to the following conclusions:
  1. He is BRILLIANT (and holy)!!
  2. He was never a “liberal” nor is he now an “arch-conservative”, rather, he is Catholic!
  3. He has always been the same level-headed, not-jumping-on-bandwagons kind of guy…he has always advocated Ressourcement - a return to the sources and has always had Augustinian leanings…in fact, his doctoral work, if I recall correctly, was on Augustine.
  4. I agree with him 100% and love his work.
  5. It is far better to read him than to read what other people say about him!
  6. He is EXACTLY who we need at this time in history…and if folks had listened to him all along, well, let’s just say the world would be a much better place.
    Hooray for Pope Benedict XVI! 🙂
    My favorite Cardinal ratzinger quotation: “Truth is not decided by a majority vote” 👍
    ***Just an aside, I actually wanted to do my exit thesis on the theology of Joseph Ratzinger, but was informed that I could not do so because it was “too controversial a topic around here.” :eek:
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I agree with you 100%
I hear a lot in my high school how many students in my classes don’t like our current pope because he is supposedly more “conservative”(and they meant it in in a bad way) than John Paul II, and I thought so too… that is until I started reading his books. Based on his writings and lectures, I was able to see that Pope Benedict XVI truely knows what he is talking about. I just finished reading The Ratzinger Report a few days ago, and many of the problems and issues he pointed out when he was still a cardinal are still very apparent today.

I have read many of his books stemming from when he was archbishop up until his curent Jesus of Nazareth, and I don’t believe he has really changed in his theology. Many claim that after Vatican II he changed from a liberal to an ultraconservative, but one has to also remember that after the council came a bunch events amd movements (such as irreverent “modernizations” in the liturgy) that were not what was originally intended in the council. What our pope has done is really advocated for the true intentions of the Second Vatican Council- whether it be back then in the 1970s or in the present.

Maybe I drifted too far form the original post… but this is only my second one, and I am already liking this forum!

God bless all of you and God bless the One True Church! 😃
 
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