The Pope taught heresy because he says "Christ is man not a spirit"?

[petra22]

Yep. It used to frustrate me a lot more, but now I either just shake my head or even laugh. The main problem for Protestants and their myriad of theologies is that they constantly have to attempt to reinvent the doctrinal wheel in order to ignore 1500+ years of Christian history and doctrine.

In my studies, what I find actually disturbing is the multitude of early church heresies that have cropped up since the Reformation, albeit in new guises. There is no lack of Arianism, Nestorianism and Sabellianism around, especially in the West.

And it’s all under the nifty little header of ‘evangelicals’.

And New Age re-inventing old age???

 

[CaptFun]

Luke 24:35 Then the two recounted what had taken place on the way and how he was made known to them in the breaking of the bread.

36 While they were still speaking about this, he stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

37 But they were startled and terrified and thought that they were seeing a ghost.

38

Then he said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do questions arise in your hearts?

39 Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have."

40 And as he said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.

41 While they were still incredulous for joy and were amazed, he asked them, “Have you anything here to eat?”

**42 They gave him a piece of baked fish;

43 he took it and ***ate it *****in front of them.

This scripture came to mind.

 

[James82]

And New Age re-inventing old age???

Nothing is new, all is vanity.

 

[truetofaith]

This scripture came to mind.

Again for the umpteenth time…Jesus was fully God & fully Man!

 

[CaptFun]

Again for the umpteenth time…Jesus was fully God & fully Man!

I know that. But thanks for the repetition in case anyone should need it. Thought the case was being made with the error – the other way around.

That the person accusing the Pope of heresy thought he was saying that God was a man and not a Spirit (a spiritless man? ). And that the argument was being made that Jesus was no longer a man but a Spirit. This part of it being less a discussion of His Divinity and humanity than his current form - if I understand this confusing issue right.

The fully God, fully Man theology you stated is correct and a mystery established by Church dogma long ago (“true God and true man” as one Catholic litany puts it).

What Jesus is NOW (does he have a body … at all …or is He just a Spirit?) was referenced by the scripture I posted. Though it’s NOT that simple. Jesus in His resurrected body seems to materialize and disappear, or come through locked doors without entering physically in the usual way … and He ascends into heaven on His own power.

St. Paul tells us that we ourselves will have different bodies when we are in heaven (should we make it).

Conclusions: 1) The Pope did not teach heresy 2) The Pope’s critic misunderstood (or worse) 3) Jesus Christ is true God and true Man 4) Jesus rose from the grave bodily
5) He is not IN a “body without a spirit”, nor is He a “spirit without a body” (see number 3 if still necessary).

 

[truetofaith]

I know that. But thanks for the repetition in case anyone should need it. Thought the case was being made with the error – the other way around.

That the person accusing the Pope of heresy thought he was saying that God was a man and not a Spirit (a spiritless man? ). And that the argument was being made that Jesus was no longer a man but a Spirit. This part of it being less a discussion of His Divinity and humanity than his current form - if I understand this confusing issue right.

The fully God, fully Man theology you stated is correct and a mystery established by Church dogma long ago (“true God and true man” as one Catholic litany puts it).

What Jesus is NOW (does he have a body … at all …or is He just a Spirit?) was referenced by the scripture I posted. Though it’s NOT that simple. Jesus in His resurrected body seems to materialize and disappear, or come through locked doors without entering physically in the usual way … and He ascends into heaven on His own power.

St. Paul tells us that we ourselves will have different bodies when we are in heaven (should we make it).

Conclusions: 1) The Pope did not teach heresy 2) The Pope’s critic misunderstood (or worse) 3) Jesus Christ is true God and true Man 4) Jesus rose from the grave bodily
5) He is not IN a “body without a spirit”, nor is He a “spirit without a body” (see number 3 if still necessary).

I can agree with all 5. points! When Jesus comes at the end our souls will be united with our bodies which will be entirely different that they are now. Maybe like what Jesus had in the upper room.

 

[regina25]

I’d like to have your thoughts on this pastor’s blog arguing that Pope Francis made “the greatest fallacy in the Catholic Church ever” by stating in one of his sermons that Christ is a man and not a spirit. For him that’s wrong because Christ is actually a “spirit,” then quoted some scripture passages to support his personal interpretation. This pastor’s blog is just easy-to-read, won’t waste time, but you can see his blunders. Look at his interpretation for instance:

Here’s the link
elisoriano.com/blog/greatest-fallacy-roman-catholic-church-ever/. I think he’s the one here committing heresy by rather denying the absolute humanity of Christ. I don’t have the time to all look up his “heavily misunderstood” verses, not a scripture scholar at all, so could you point out where he’s made his own fallacy? Thanks.

Eli Soriano is the founder of ADD or Ang Dating Daan (IT’s a Filipino term)
And as a Filipino Catholic, I don’t take him seriously.
Why? because I don’t know where he get his doctrine, he called himself “Sugo ng Diyos” or the chosen one of God, if you don’t believe in him (Eli Soriano) you’re going to hell or you’re not save. I think that’s the reason why he said that Jesus is a mere man not a spirit. But we all know that Jesus is fully human and fully God.

 

[petra22]

But we all know that Jesus is fully human and fully God.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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