The Pope

[totustuus2345]

No, he can be from any Catholic Church (Roman Catholic, Ukrainian Catholic, Greek Catholic, Chaldean, Melkite, Maronite, etc. etc).

I think that the election of a pope is restricted to Roman Rite Cardinals as candidates, The pope is the Bishop of Rome, his See is in Rome, it would not make sense if say, a Greek Catholic Cardinal was elected the Bishop of the See of Rome, because he is not of the Roman Rite

 

[Formosus]

Non latins have been elected to the papal office before. Several prominent Popes were Greeks.

 

[jlhargus]

I’m 28 years old male and new to the faith. It’s very good I think Jlhargus: I was from Jordan but not anymore.

My new friends laugh of my question so I ask them here. Thank you. I like to learn.

Faustina2001 you know a lot of the faith. May I ask a stupid question?

Anewconvert, ask all the questions you want, we will take them seriouly. A lot of us have, at one time or other, been new to the faith.

 

[Volodymyr_988]

I think that the election of a pope is restricted to Roman Rite Cardinals as candidates, The pope is the Bishop of Rome, his See is in Rome, it would not make sense if say, a Greek Catholic Cardinal was elected the Bishop of the See of Rome, because he is not of the Roman Rite

Not true. His Beatitude Lyubomyr Cardinal Husar is the Major Archbishop (Patriarch) of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. He was considered Papabile during the last conclave.

 

[Faustina2001]

I’m 28 years old male and new to the faith. It’s very good I think Jlhargus: I was from Jordan but not anymore.

My new friends laugh of my question so I ask them here. Thank you. I like to learn.

Faustina2001 you know a lot of the faith. May I ask a stupid question?

No question is a stupid question when you are learning So Ask away. It’s all part of learning.

 

[06convert]

You only have to be a baptized male. If an unordained man is elected, he will immediately be ordained a priest and then a bishop, a process that would take just a few minutes–once the cardinals get word to this person [that he’s been elected]. At the split-second of his episcopal ordination (his ordination as a bishop), he becomes pope.

 

[PrayForMeStJude]

There is more then one Eastern rite. There are at least five eastern liturgical traditions. Eastern Churches have bishops who are Cardinals and celebrate eastern liturgical rites, but “the Eastern Rite” doesn’t have any cardinals.

True; generally speaking, most Patriarch are made Cardinals, with a few patriarchal positions being pretty much garuanteed the position.

The following eastern patriarchs are Cardinals. Eastern patriarchs made Cardinals always go straight to the rank of Cardinal-Bishop (the highest). They are the only ones who can skip to that rank.

• Nasrallah Pierre Sfeir* Maronite Patriarch of Antioch
• Stéphanos II Ghattas* Retired Coptic Catholic Patriarch of Alexandria
• Ignace Moussa I Daoud Retired Syrian Rite Patriarch of Antioch
• Emmanuel III Delly* (Iraq) - Patriarch of Babylon for the Chaldeans

(the asteriks are for those who have passed the age limit and can no longer vote in a conclave)

Non latins have been elected to the papal office before. Several prominent Popes were Greeks.

As well as Syrians, Africans, etc. And the first pope, of course, was a Hebrew!

I think that the election of a pope is restricted to Roman Rite Cardinals as candidates, The pope is the Bishop of Rome, his See is in Rome, it would not make sense if say, a Greek Catholic Cardinal was elected the Bishop of the See of Rome, because he is not of the Roman Rite

Not true, as the quote below shows. As well as my example further below. However, since it hasn’t happened recently, its a bit unclear what would happen. I think most scholars agree that if an eastern patriarch was elected pope, he would immediately become Latin Rite. Obviously, he would have to be for practical reasons. However, the Pope is ‘above and beyond’ the issue of rite; he can use any and every rite if he so desires.

Not true. His Beatitude Lyubomyr Cardinal Husar is the Major Archbishop (Patriarch) of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. He was considered Papabile during the last conclave.

Also, rather recently an eastern patriarch was almost elected pope. Armenian Patriarch of Cilicia Gregory Peter XV (Agagianian), during the 1958 papal conclave following the death of Pius XII, received a large number of votes, eventually approaching the majority needed for election. This was confirmed by the elected pope himself, Pope John XXIII.

Even before the conclave, he was considred papabile, as this Time article from 1958 shows:

Gregory Peter XV Cardinal Agagianian, 63, Patriarch of Cilicia of the Armenians, an Oriental rite communion of the Roman Catholic Church with headquarters near Beirut. Generally considered one of the best brains in the church, Agagianian was appointed by Pope Pius XII to succeed the late Cardinal Stritch as chief of all Catholic missions, is the church’s top expert on the Mideast and Communism. His Russian-Armenian origin, which militates against his choice, in another respect weighs in his favor: his election would greatly impress Russians and other Eastern peoples.

 

[06convert]

double post, please ignore.

 

[malphono]

I think that the election of a pope is restricted to Roman Rite Cardinals as candidates, The pope is the Bishop of Rome, his See is in Rome, it would not make sense if say, a Greek Catholic Cardinal was elected the Bishop of the See of Rome, because he is not of the Roman Rite

Actually it would make perfectly good sense from both a theological and eccesiological point of view. In olden times (I just love saying that ), there were several Easterners and Orientals on the papal throne. The position was then, as it is now, Bishop of Rome, and a non-westerner was not a problem. Of course times were simpler then, but even so, there is nothing to prevent an Oriental or Eastern bishop from being elected. Could it happen? Yes. Is it going to happen? Highly doubtful.

This same issue was discussed a couple of months back in another thread (in, I think, the Eastern Catholicism forum). In any case, if an Eastern or Oriental bishop were to be elected, it would, IMHO, present practical questions, but nothing that could not be surmounted in a reasonable manner.

Case in point: the Pope is Bishop of Rome. But of course he is more than that: he is also head of the Universal Church. Yet, at the same time, the people of the Diocese of Rome should have an ordinary, just like any other diocese. Hence we have the Vicar for Rome who functions ad nutum as the de facto ordinary. There is no reason something similar could not be done to manage affairs particular to the West in general (despite the official abrogation of the title “Patriarch of the West,” the Bishop of Rome is still that, in fact, and has always been). He simply delegates (and remember, the delegation is ad nutum so it could be revoked in an instant) those responsibilities, all the while retaining full authority.

Could this happen? Yes? Is it likely? No. I only bring it up to reinforce the fact that there is nothing (absolutely nothing) that would prevent an Eastern or Oriental bishop from election to the Papacy.

 

[mardukm]

I’m 28 years old male and new to the faith. It’s very good I think Jlhargus: I was from Jordan but not anymore.

WELCOME, brother!!! I see you are from Jordan. What were you before you became Catholic, if you don’t mind me asking?

I myself translated from the Coptic Orthodox Church a little over three years ago.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Non latins have been elected to the papal office before. Several prominent Popes were Greeks.

And Syrians (St. Theodore I comes to mind)​

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

Does the pope has to be a roman catholic?

While the Church does not attempt to regulate where bears defecate, yes, the Pope must be Catholic.

This is kind of like asking… well, all analogies fall a bit flat, actually. The Pope is Catholic by definition.

 

[Dispector]

While the Church does not attempt to regulate where bears defecate, yes, the Pope must be Catholic.

Hahaha! My chest is hurting from laughing so hard.

Happy New Years!

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

Hahaha! My chest is hurting from laughing so hard.

Happy New Years!

Thanks - I was proud of that one, I must admit.

I don’t think the wife & I are going to make it to 12 -

Happy New Year!!! :dancing:

 

[JReducation]

I think that the election of a pope is restricted to Roman Rite Cardinals as candidates, The pope is the Bishop of Rome, his See is in Rome, it would not make sense if say, a Greek Catholic Cardinal was elected the Bishop of the See of Rome, because he is not of the Roman Rite

An Eastern Catholic can be elected to the papacy. To be the Bishop of Rome he has to become bi-ritual, which is not difficult, especially if you’re elected pope.

John XXIII was bi-ritual. He was a Roman Cardinal and he was the Primate of Venice, so was John Paul I. The Diocese of Venice is Eastern as are some dioceses in Poland, Israel and many North African nations.

JR

 

[PrayForMeStJude]

The Diocese of Venice is Eastern

Since when?

 

[Dauphin]

Latin Rite IS synonymous with Roman Catholic. The Eastern Catholics are not Roman Catholics but we are all part of the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church is Roman. Rome is the Primatial See of the Church - the seat of the Supreme Pontiff, and so the entire Church is Roman.

 

[PrayForMeStJude]

The Catholic Church is Roman. Rome is the Primatial See of the Church - the seat of the Supreme Pontiff, and so the entire Church is Roman.

There are Churches, in full communion, that are decidedly un-Roman in character.

Whats so beautiful about it all is that we share the same faith, which is of Heavenly origin, not Roman.

 

[Dauphin]

There are Churches, in full communion, that are decidedly un-Roman in character.

Whats so beautiful about it all is that we share the same faith, which is of Heavenly origin, not Roman.

I must insist that the entire universal Church has an indelible Roman character. The See of Rome presides over the entire Church.

 

[Will8503]

There is more then one Eastern rite. There are at least five eastern liturgical traditions. Eastern Churches have bishops who are Cardinals and celebrate eastern liturgical rites, but “the Eastern Rite” doesn’t have any cardinals.

Is every bishop of the Eastern Churches a cardinal? Also, what’s the difference between a bishop, cardinal, and patriach? I’m not sure I know exactly.