The Popes Banned Gays From The Priesthood

[paul_barlow]

I always thought that the RCC had a ban on gays. So if you are banning gays does that mean the number of priests who are gay are no longer priests. or is it a bit like the other rules only applying to some and not all.

 

[catsrus]

I always thought that the RCC had a ban on gays. So if you are banning gays does that mean the number of priests who are gay are no longer priests. or is it a bit like the other rules only applying to some and not all.

The Holy Church does not ban homosexuals, only the practice of homosexuality.

I would like to answer the rest of this but your remark

or is it a bit like the other rules only applying to some and not all

is obviously inflammatory and not really requiring an answer, only an argument, which I, for one, am not going to give you.

 

[paul_barlow]

catsrus:

The Holy Church does not ban homosexuals, only the practice of homosexuality…/QUOTE

homosexuals who are not practicing are banned have you not read the message from the pope.

 

[mercygate]

paul barlow:

catsrus:

The Holy Church does not ban homosexuals, only the practice of homosexuality…

A man who has been ordained cannot be un-ordained. He is a Priest forever. The Sacrament makes an indelible mark on the soul.

The proposed ban is on admitting gays to seminary because the Church has had problems in the recent past, 80% of which involved a form of homosexual behavior.

Priests with same sex attraction who are currently living in chastity and serving in good standing will not be removed.

 

[ben_dy]

paul barlow:

I always thought that the RCC had a ban on gays. So if you are banning gays does that mean the number of priests who are gay are no longer priests. or is it a bit like the other rules only applying to some and not all.

Paul,

If you’re generally interested in what Catholics here think of what has been reported, there is a poll and a discussion going on here…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=76638

Currently, all we know is that an unnamed source has indicated that a Vatican document will be issued within the coming weeks that will ban homosexuals from entering seminary. This should come as no surprise as there have been rumors of such a document in preparation since 2001.

I’m not certain if the unnamed source went so far as to disclose who will author and present the document but speculation is that it will be promulgated as an “instruction” from the Congregation for Catholic Education and will likely be published by the current prefect, Cardinal Grocholewski, with the instruction approved by the Pope, with the language which is usually used in such documents - “The Holy Father, during the Audience granted to the undersigned Prefect, approved this document and authorized its publication.”

All of this, of course, is speculative and we’ll not know exactly what the document says until it is issued - the title of you post, " The Popes Banned Gays From The Priesthood", seems to indicate that you know more about the subject than that which has been reported and if that’s the case you may want to elucidate further on the discussion mentioned above.

And, no, priests who are homosexual but obedient to their vows of chastity won’t suddenly be laicized. If you are speaking of this forthcoming document it will apply only in admission to seminary of those who believe themselves to be homosexual, as I understand it, but it doesn’t really pay to speculate - I can wait until any document is released before discussing in depth what it may or may not stipulate.

I’m not certain what you mean or are implying by “the other rules only applying to some and not all.” I am assuming that such a document would apply to all potential seminarians: you have to remember that we are a catholic church, with all that implies, and the only rules that I know of that might apply to one body and not another is in the liturgy and laws of the Oriental churches, But, depending on the document, I am assuming that it will be applicable to those seminarians as well.

 

[ben_dy]

paul barlow:

homosexuals who are not practicing are banned have you not read the message from the pope.

Paul,

To which “message from the pope” are you referring?

 

[arieh0310]

ben_dy:

Paul,

To which “message from the pope” are you referring?

I think he is referring to this
An excerpt:

The text, which was approved by Pope Benedict at the end of August, says that homosexual men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers.

I happen to wholeheartedly agree with what the Pope chose to do, even though it isn’t politically correct.

 

[ben_dy]

arieh0310:

I think he is referring to this
An excerpt:

The text, which was approved by Pope Benedict at the end of August, says that homosexual men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers.

I happen to wholeheartedly agree with what the Pope chose to do, even though it isn’t politically correct.

Yep, that’s the same document being discussed that’s been reported in the Washington Post, NYT, etc. There’s no “message from the pope” in that article or in any other report from the unnamed Vatican official.

This document has been in the making since 2001, as I have understood it’s evolution, and it will, reportedly, be published by the CCE. If you read the post where the poll originated you’ll see that most of us agree with what we’re speculating the document will present.

 

[Joe_Monahan]

There seems to be a mistaken impression forming here that this subforum (LDS) is where a Mormon must post if he or she has a question or wishes to make a point regarding Catholicism. In fact, unless the issue is one that involves the differences between Catholic and Mormon dogma, doctrine, or practice, the thread is generally more appropriately opened in the relevant Forum.

The purpose of the LDS Subforum is specifically to afford an environment in which Catholics and Mormons can dialogue, discuss, or debate, in a civil and charitable manner, the differences and similarities between their Faiths, educate one another and be educated by one another with respect to those differences.

I am moving this thread to the Liturgy & Sacraments Forum.

Joe