The Pope's words on Islam

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We are not required to tolerate injustice. It is not uncharitable to defend the faith, publicize persecution, or correct errors. Forgiveness does not require that we let the terrorists get off scot free. It is incumbent on us to remedy the situation as best we can. You can forgive someone who commits murder, but they still need to be held accountable to the law.
 
cestusdei said:
We are not required to tolerate injustice. It is not uncharitable to defend the faith, publicize persecution, or correct errors. Forgiveness does not require that we let the terrorists get off scot free. It is incumbent on us to remedy the situation as best we can. You can forgive someone who commits murder, but they still need to be held accountable to the law.
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How did the Pope’s comment contribute to the war on terrorism?

How has this comment helped to combat injustice?
 
What a red herring. Pope B wasn’t trying to combat injustice or contribute to the war on terror when he made his remarks - he was addressing a theological question totally unrelated to those things in an academic situation.

The injustice and terror were committed by the Muslims who reacted rather poorly to his remarks.

It is up to the rest of us to fight injustice and terror caused by the Muslims.
 
Rodrigo_Bivar said:
What a red herring. Pope B wasn’t trying to combat injustice or contribute to the war on terror when he made his remarks - he was addressing a theological question totally unrelated to those things in an academic situation.

The injustice and terror were committed by the Muslims who reacted rather poorly to his remarks.

It is up to the rest of us to fight injustice and terror caused by the Muslims.
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Image_of_God said:
Do not let these unkindnesses shake our faith. We have a duty to love even those who hurt us. I think it is an attempt to make us unlike Jesus, and with the post that we are posting, they are winning. We should not post nasty things about other people no matter how nasty they appear to be, for Christ has died for those people. We should not take justice into our own hands, even if it is not in the form of actual violence.

I still believe that the Pope was NOT wrong in his comments, because he was simply questioning the Islamic faith. However, we need to really do our part. The Pope has done his part by speaking the truth. We need to show the world what true Christianity is like, by proving the Pope more true about the faith he defended, Christianity, but also for the sake of defending God.
Each of our uncharitable posts, regardless of the unkindness of the radicals, will be counted against us if we do not repent. For we should not think as as mere creatures, like a mudslinging compition, but rather as children of God, knowing we were raised by Christ.

So now I tell you do not judge the religion of Islam at all. Rather let God judge it, just as JPII told us(well at least in a similat fashion). We should not judge people as we have in past post. I mean, it is okay to that the radical actions of some of these people are wrong, but we are even going so far as to name call. Watch out, Satan will tempt anything and anyone!

So let me recite this which I have recited before, because it tells how we are supposed to be, regardless of what happens:

1 Cor. 13:4-7
Love is patient, love is kind, love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way, it is not irritable or resentful, it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

SO my question is, are we being patient with this trial in which the radicals mock us?
Are we being kind to the radicals and those who agree with them, even though, they hate us and our religion?
Are we getting irritated and resentful of what they are doing, knowing that God has told us not to?
Are we bearing this charitably, while hoping in Jesus?

Well while reading this, remember, that there if we do NOT follow this, we have no charity, and no charity, no Beatific Vision. Being in a Christian Faith is not enough, we have to be Christian and be Christian in our heart.

I have cut and pasted this comment from another post I typed, because I think it is something we all need to see.
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Aren’t you carrying the pacifist attitude too far? Are we supposed to look the other way when evil is committed???:rolleyes: All it takes for evil to take over, is for good people to do nothing!!

LOVE IS NOT TOLERANCE By Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth. It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind. The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body; but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom. Real love involves real hatred: whoever has los the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth!

Charity, then is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”, it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.
 
pro_universal said:
How did the Pope’s comment contribute to the war on terrorism?

How has this comment helped to combat injustice?
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Sorry Pro, but you jumped in at the end of a very weird conversation. Somehow we got off on forgiving people…

The Popes words on Islam were not designed to fight terror. Rather, the were used in an academic discussion only. Which is why it is a bit silly to burn down churches and kill nuns over it.
 
pro, by identifying a major underlying cause for Islamic terrorism. Also it incidentally proved the Pope was correct by the Islamic reaction. Knowing your enemy is a big step towards defeating him. The Pope spoke the truth.
 
pro_universal said:
How did the Pope’s comment contribute to the war on terrorism?

How has this comment helped to combat injustice?
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How did one contribute to the war on terrorism before the Pope’s comment?
How did one combat injustice before the Pope’s comment?
 
Booklover said:
Aren’t you carrying the pacifist attitude too far? Are we supposed to look the other way when evil is committed???:rolleyes: All it takes for evil to take over, is for good people to do nothing!!

LOVE IS NOT TOLERANCE By Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth. It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind. The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body; but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom. Real love involves real hatred: whoever has los the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth!

Charity, then is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”, it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.
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You really misunderstood me and Bishop Sheen. People are claiming people to be "morally ugly. What Sheen is saying is that we are called to think like God. God loves all people, but hates sin, yes. But God would never say something uncharitable. He never has, he never will. And besides, this isn’t what I am saying. This is what I sayed:
I mean, it is okay to say that the radical actions of some of these people are wrong, but we are even going so far as to name call.
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Did you read what I typed?
Does it mean we are not going to tolerate evil and then end up doing the same thing we thought was intolerable?
Does it mean we are going to hate evil and then turn around and do the thing we hate?
 
If everyones’ assertions are so blatently false, where are all our usually vociferous Muslim friends on here to defend their religion? I’ve only seen one or two since this fiasco started.
 
Brian_C,

Maybe they got tired of being insulted, and having any response to a question labelled “Al TAKKYA!” or whatever other word people are using here to call Muslims liars.
 
At least the don’t have to be worried about being beheaded or stoned to death. Unlike Christians in Muslim countries. I guess it’s hard to handle free speech when you can’t kill the person who disagrees with you. I suggest the 1st amendment.
 
cestusdei said:
At least the don’t have to be worried about being beheaded or stoned to death. Unlike Christians in Muslim countries. I guess it’s hard to handle free speech when you can’t kill the person who disagrees with you. I suggest the 1st amendment.
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What a red herring.

The question was: Why aren’t Muslims posting on this?

The answer has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with being treated decently and not insulted.

If you feel an overwhelming need to insult Muslims just because of your free speech rights, I suggest learning Christian charity.
 
“Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.” - Dr. Wafa Sultan, born and raised in Syria, rejected Islam when her medical school professor was gunned down to the shouts of “Allah is Great!” right in front of her eyes

That’s a quote from this video:

youtube.com/watch?v=V-trMOYNhlo
 
Pro-
You say that one of the main reasons for leaving the Church was the amount of anti-Islamic feelings in Catholicism (or more likely in these boards, but that is irrelevant). I have to ask you, how can you ask us to respect Islam after some of it’s most fervent believers smashed two planes into the World Trade towers? After they go on and on about killing americans? After they blow up a convent in africa? I love the individual muslims, but I cannot love their religion. And I don’t have to. The religion is not the person.

You have not found the Catholic Church to hold the “full truth”. Ask yourself, honestly, does Islam have the “full truth”.

May God lead you back to his open arms.

Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam.
 
I have to ask you, how can you ask us to respect Islam after some of it’s most fervent believers smashed two planes into the World Trade towers? After they go on and on about killing americans? After they blow up a convent in africa? I love the individual muslims, but I cannot love their religion.
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Their religion does not command them to do this. The reason I have a problem with Christians today on this matter is that they are absolutely unwilling to consider the possibility that extremists might be disobeying generally recognized principles of a religion to serve their own ends.

What a concept! We saw it happen with Eric Rudolph and the various religious terror organizations in Northern Ireland, but we’re happy to say “that was more politics or that was a lone nutcase.” But when the same sort of behavior comes from Muslims, any argument that they are actually disobeying Islam is ignored.

Please answer this question: Did it ever occur to you that terrorists might be perverting Islam the same way they perverted Christianity?
You have not found the Catholic Church to hold the “full truth”. Ask yourself, honestly, does Islam have the “full truth”.
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I am asking myself that question right now. I’m not sure, though I certainly find Islam to be more attractive than Christianity right now. The main reason I am not Catholic, though, is that regardless of what else might be true, I simply cannot believe that it possesses the full truth.
 
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