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When “Man” is backed into a corner,they will pull many a desperate measures to shift the blame elsewhere.This is text book on criminal profiling…

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Bishop quoted as saying “Zionist attack” behind criticism of church.
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LONDON – An Italian Catholic Web site is claiming that a retired bishop has blamed the Jews for the current backlash against the church over sex abuse claims.

Giacomo Babini, 81, the emeritus bishop of Grosseto, allegedly said in an article on the Pontifex Web site that he believed a “Zionist attack” was behind the criticism of the church, considering how “powerful and refined” the criticism was.

“They do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers,” he was quoted as saying.

Louemma’s (name removed by moderator)utTHE JEWS WANTED JESUS CRUCIFIED AND THE GENTILES NAILED HIM TO THE CROSS,SO JEWS AND GENTILES ARE BOTH GOD KILLERS

The comments were spotted by the American Jewish Committee (AJC) on Friday.

Referring to the comments as anti-Semitic libel and to Pontifex as an extremist Catholic right-wing Web site, AJC is calling on the Italian Conference of Catholic Bishops (CEI) to condemn the comments.

“Babini, the retired Bishop of Grosetto, referring to the pedophile scandals, accused Jews of a ‘refined Zionist’ media attack against the Church. He called Jews a ‘Deicide’ people and inferred that the Holocaust took place due to Jews ‘strangling Germany economically’ through ‘usury,’” the AJC said.

“We urge the Italian Bishops Conference to categorically condemn these slanderous stereotypes, which sadly evoke the worst Christian and Nazi propaganda prior to World War II,” said Rabbi David Rosen, AJC’s International director of Interreligious Affairs.

“The high level of mutual trust and solidarity that binds our two communities today demands that there be zero tolerance for such defamatory statements by religious representatives.”

One of the highest representatives of the CEI told the AJC that Babini’s comments were contrary to Catholic thinking.

“These remarks are entirely contrary to the official line and mainstream thought of the Catholic Church,” Bishop Vincenzo Paglia told the AJC.

In a statement, CEI denied that Babini had given the interview.

“Statements I have never made about our Jewish brothers have been attributed to me,” Babini said on Monday.

In a response posted on its Web site, Pontifex said it stood by its story and that Babini has previously made anti-Semitic comments.

Pontifex claimed that in an interview on January 27, Babini said: “The Jews use the Holocaust as a club” and on January 25 said: “The Jews are no longer our brothers, they overslept at the coming of Christ, they have chosen not to be our brothers.”

Truly sad when we know that Christ is for all those who will accept him.Now in having said that we as Christians should be ashamed for those who call themselves Christians to put forth this type of Christian that is in fact no christian at all.
The one who can reflect Christ through the christian is to show the love of God that is in the Christian(Remember Jesus tells us to love our neighbor as our own self.)
To say that the Jews are no longer our brothers,goes against the very thing that Christ has commanded the children of God to do

Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g]There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
 
(Edited out needless quote pe Forum Rules) so what is your point exactly? shall we go into all the antisemitic writings of luther and calvin? what exactly is your question on this thread. just curious. peace 🤷
 
Louemma in Christ,

Please post a link to the article that makes the claims.

Thanks and God bless.
 
When “Man” is backed into a corner,they will pull many a desperate measures to shift the blame elsewhere.This is text book on criminal profiling…
Yes… but what does this have to do with talking cookware and the color kettles? :rolleyes:
 
First, the articles say the bishop is ALLEGED to have made the remark.

Second the bishop has denied he made the remark.

Third, Apparently no one has produced any evidence that the bishop did indeed make the remark.

This would not be the first time that Jewish groups were totally wrong in accusing Catholic bishops of antisemitism. The did the same against pope Pius XII who single handly did more to save Jews than the US, Britain, France, Canada and the rest of the Allied Powers COMBINED.
 
This is a black eye on Christianity as a whole.Just as the extreme Islamic has gave the face of Islam a violent side(And they are) this gives Christianity a black eye(and it does)
Christians everywhere,whether Catholic or Protestant need to stop this sort of behavior that is being covered up and disgracing Christians everywhere. This is the great falling away because those who have not yet come to Christ are not going to be very inspired to do so in the sick acts being done under the guise of the priesthood,whether there is a legion of demons to place blame on or the sick minds of those who seek to cover up such acts and do so using the name of Christ.
I would not want to be in favor of such things,nor making excuse and if I were Catholic I would be angry that this thing is being blamed on the demons in the Vatican.The evil of man can not always be blamed on Satan.Man is capable of his own evil devices.The Catholics should come forward and demand the church to be cleared of the unclean spirits within it,even if this means cleaning house of the head leaders who have conspired to cover up such filth.Judgement will come swiftly to those who worship the church instead of Christ.
I do not say these things to be harsh but Jesus is the High Priest and if we condone these things and allow this in the Christian Church then as Christians we will all be held accountable.Say what you will but there is no words that can be used to justify this going on in the church.No words at all!
 
This is a black eye on Christianity as a whole.Just as the extreme Islamic has gave the face of Islam a violent side(And they are) this gives Christianity a black eye(and it does)
Christians everywhere,whether Catholic or Protestant need to stop this sort of behavior that is being covered up and disgracing Christians everywhere. This is the great falling away because those who have not yet come to Christ are not going to be very inspired to do so in the sick acts being done under the guise of the priesthood,whether there is a legion of demons to place blame on or the sick minds of those who seek to cover up such acts and do so using the name of Christ.
I would not want to be in favor of such things,nor making excuse and if I were Catholic I would be angry that this thing is being blamed on the demons in the Vatican.The evil of man can not always be blamed on Satan.Man is capable of his own evil devices.The Catholics should come forward and demand the church to be cleared of the unclean spirits within it,even if this means cleaning house of the head leaders who have conspired to cover up such filth.Judgement will come swiftly to those who worship the church instead of Christ.
I do not say these things to be harsh but Jesus is the High Priest and if we condone these things and allow this in the Christian Church then as Christians we will all be held accountable.Say what you will but there is no words that can be used to justify this going on in the church.No words at all!
Wait a minute. Before we do any hand wringing or finger pointing let’s make sure the man actually made the statement he is accused of making. As I said in the post before this would not be the first time that Jewish groups were totally wrong in accusing Catholic bishops of antisemitism. Jewish groups have mounted a sophisticated campaign to denounce Pope Pius XII as anti Jewish despite the praise heaped on him by people like Golda Meier, Albert Einstein, as well as the head rabbi of Rome who named his son after Pope Pius XII.

So let’s all remember these three points:

First, the articles say the bishop is ALLEGED to have made the remark.

Second the bishop has denied he made the remark.

Third, Apparently no one has produced any evidence that the bishop did indeed make the remark.
 
This is a black eye on Christianity as a whole.Just as the extreme Islamic has gave the face of Islam a violent side(And they are) this gives Christianity a black eye(and it does)
Christians everywhere,whether Catholic or Protestant need to stop this sort of behavior that is being covered up and disgracing Christians everywhere. This is the great falling away because those who have not yet come to Christ are not going to be very inspired to do so in the sick acts being done under the guise of the priesthood,whether there is a legion of demons to place blame on or the sick minds of those who seek to cover up such acts and do so using the name of Christ.
I would not want to be in favor of such things,nor making excuse and if I were Catholic I would be angry that this thing is being blamed on the demons in the Vatican.The evil of man can not always be blamed on Satan.Man is capable of his own evil devices.The Catholics should come forward and demand the church to be cleared of the unclean spirits within it,even if this means cleaning house of the head leaders who have conspired to cover up such filth.Judgement will come swiftly to those who worship the church instead of Christ.
I do not say these things to be harsh but Jesus is the High Priest and if we condone these things and allow this in the Christian Church then as Christians we will all be held accountable.Say what you will but there is no words that can be used to justify this going on in the church.No words at all!
i still dont get it. what cover up? also, i love it when someone else tells me how to deal with my own family. let the Catholics deal with our house. and the protestants can deal with theirs. trust me. we both have alot of house cleaning to do before telling the otherside how to handle their affairs. Peace 🙂
 
Wait a minute. Before we do any hand wringing or finger pointing let’s make sure the man actually made the statement he is accused of making. As I said in the post before this would not be the first time that Jewish groups were totally wrong in accusing Catholic bishops of antisemitism. Jewish groups have mounted a sophisticated campaign to denounce Pope Pius XII as anti Jewish despite the praise heaped on him by people like Golda Meier, Albert Einstein, as well as the head rabbi of Rome who named his son after Pope Pius XII.

So let’s all remember these three points:

First, the articles say the bishop is ALLEGED to have made the remark.

Second the bishop has denied he made the remark.

Third, Apparently no one has produced any evidence that the bishop did indeed make the remark.
True but we need to defend the church and stand strong against the evil that is coming up against the church and the Christians.The Catholic church is coming under attack and that is clear.The question is “Why now?” What is the purpose?We know there are some who claim to be priest but are not.How is this all coming out now on the Catholic Church to the point of some lawyers trying to get the Pope into the court system.Can it be proven he was involved in covering up this thing which is an abomination to God?if they prove this then where will this leave the church?
In the mean time there is another bishop that has been fined in the courts of Germany for making the statement that the Holocaust never happened.
Certainly anyone whether they are Catholic or Protestant can see that something is going on with the Catholic Church and one can certainly see that it is in an effort to enforce the rift that is going on with Israel and one can see that this is from a political view and not really anything to do with christianity and you gotta ask yourself “Why now?”
 
True but we need to defend the church and stand strong against the evil that is coming up against the church and the Christians.The Catholic church is coming under attack and that is clear.The question is “Why now?” What is the purpose?We know there are some who claim to be priest but are not.How is this all coming out now on the Catholic Church to the point of some lawyers trying to get the Pope into the court system.Can it be proven he was involved in covering up this thing which is an abomination to God?if they prove this then where will this leave the church?
In the mean time there is another bishop that has been fined in the courts of Germany for making the statement that the Holocaust never happened.
Certainly anyone whether they are Catholic or Protestant can see that something is going on with the Catholic Church and one can certainly see that it is in an effort to enforce the rift that is going on with Israel and one can see that this is from a political view and not really anything to do with christianity and you gotta ask yourself “Why now?”
hello louemma. the devils been coming against the Church for over 2000 years. and hasnt succeeded yet. nor will he. let not your heart be troubled. remember what Christ said. i will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail. there have been dark days in the past, and yes this is a dark time. but at the end of it all, the Church will be triumphant. appreciate your concern and support, and you are right. we must ever remain vigiant, and defend the faith. peace 🙂
 
hello louemma. the devils been coming against the Church for over 2000 years. and hasnt succeeded yet. nor will he. let not your heart be troubled. remember what Christ said. i will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail. there have been dark days in the past, and yes this is a dark time. but at the end of it all, the Church will be triumphant. appreciate your concern and support, and you are right. we must ever remain vigiant, and defend the faith. peace 🙂
Great Post… Thank You…👍
 
hello louemma. the devils been coming against the Church for over 2000 years. and hasn’t succeeded yet. nor will he. let not your heart be troubled. remember what Christ said. i will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail. there have been dark days in the past, and yes this is a dark time. but at the end of it all, the Church will be triumphant. appreciate your concern and support, and you are right. we must ever remain vigilant, and defend the faith. peace :)/QUOTE

Yes we must defend the faith and strengthen those who are weak among us and always be on guard of the devices of Satan.
 
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