The Practice of Sitting In the Middle of a Song or Reading

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I noticed that some parishes, we sit at some point during the Gloria (when the priest sits), and at some point during the Creed (when the priest sits).

Why do we sit during these songs? Is it that hard to stand for a full song?

If we are going to stand at the beginning then why not stand all the way? If it is not necessary to stand for the whole song, then why not sit the whole time during the song?

Also, why do we sit during the Epistle readings? They are the word of God as well.
 
I noticed that some parishes, we sit at some point during the Gloria (when the priest sits), and at some point during the Creed (when the priest sits).

Why do we sit during these songs? Is it that hard to stand for a full song?

If we are going to stand at the beginning then why not stand all the way? If it is not necessary to stand for the whole song, then why not sit the whole time during the song?

Also, why do we sit during the Epistle readings? They are the word of God as well.
I have never been to a Mass where either the priest or the congregation sat during either the Gloria or Creed, and I go to churches all over the place. This might just be something done in your parish.

s for the Epistle,yes, they are the Word of God, but the Gospels hold prominence as they are the words and actions of Jesus Himself, thus we stand to honor that.
 
in the old days at high Mass we would often sit for the Gloria and Credo if they were one of the more elaborate choral settings. Those were the days when the choir, seldom the people, sang.
 
I noticed that some parishes, we sit at some point during the Gloria (when the priest sits), and at some point during the Creed (when the priest sits).

Why do we sit during these songs? Is it that hard to stand for a full song?

If we are going to stand at the beginning then why not stand all the way? If it is not necessary to stand for the whole song, then why not sit the whole time during the song?

Also, why do we sit during the Epistle readings? They are the word of God as well.
Custom only. The russian liturgy them stand all the way for 6 hours. In japanese adapted they sit on the heels and in india in lotus position, in africa, just just dance. cheers:thumbsup:
 
My oblate pastor during my teen years suffered from swollen legs that made it difficult to stand for long periods of time. When the spanish-language choir took up a lengthy Gloria after a nine-fold Kyrie he sat down for the duration and so did the congregation.

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In the good olf tims the priest recited the Gloria and Creed as part of the Mass, and the faithful were standing with him, after that he sat down while the choir sang. That was entertainment and not organic part of the Mass between St Pius V and St Pius X in theory and in practice. In the New form, when the singing is organic part of the Mass usually either the priest and the faithful stand. Naturally old habits die out hard, so it is possible that the priest sit in the new form too, especially is polyphonic sing lasts forever.
 
I have never been to a Mass where either the priest or the congregation sat during either the Gloria or Creed, and I go to churches all over the place. This might just be something done in your parish.

s for the Epistle,yes, they are the Word of God, but the Gospels hold prominence as they are the words and actions of Jesus Himself, thus we stand to honor that.
Agreed. Also, if we stood for all of the things mentioned, we would never sit down.
 
… if we stood for all of the things mentioned, we would never sit down.
Ever seen a Medieval church? They never had any pews. It seems we used to stand for the entire Liturgy for the longest time. Either conformity with Protestantism or laziness crept in somewhere. This is rather bothersome, because pews started to be introduced in Catholic Churches around the time penance started to become reduced more and more in length and severity.

Our Christian ancestors stood for 3-4 hours singing litanies and begging God’s mercy, often going prostrate as the Orthodox continue to do. Penance often involved wearing dirty clothing and begging forgiveness outside a church on Sunday as others went in. Now, we’re down to “say three hail Marys” in penance (which always seems to be private), and we get to sit for the longest time. I’d love to have the honour to stand in Christ’s presence through every single Mass (while young, obviously).
 
I noticed that some parishes, we sit at some point during the Gloria (when the priest sits),
There is no point during the Gloria (in the OF Mass) where there is sitting. The GIRM is clear that this is a part of the Mass where we stand.
and at some point during the Creed (when the priest sits).
The Creed is to be said standing. There is a point where we make a bow but no point for sitting.
Why do we sit during these songs? Is it that hard to stand for a full song?
Unless someone (including the priest) is ill or unable to stand the only reason to sit is disobedience.
If we are going to stand at the beginning then why not stand all the way? If it is not necessary to stand for the whole song, then why not sit the whole time during the song?
It is necessary to sit or stand for the whole song based on what the GIRM says. There is no song or prayer where the instruction is to sit for part and stand for part.
Also, why do we sit during the Epistle readings? They are the word of God as well
The Gospels hold a special place of honor because they are not only the word of God, they are an account of Jesus’ time on earth as God incarnate.
 
Ever seen a Medieval church? They never had any pews. It seems we used to stand for the entire Liturgy for the longest time. Either conformity with Protestantism or laziness crept in somewhere. This is rather bothersome, because pews started to be introduced in Catholic Churches around the time penance started to become reduced more and more in length and severity.
I don’t think introducing pews has anything to do with a lack of discipline or Protestantism. I mean, seriously? Links with protestants? I think it has more to do with ensuring everyone can see it, be comfortable so more people can focus, the infirm and elderly can tolerate the entire Mass, and that it doesn’t get too crowded. As well as making it easier to kneel.
 
There is no point during the Gloria (in the OF Mass) where theris sitting. The GIRM is clear that this is a part of the Mass where we stand.
My fault. I should have clarified. I attend the EF.
 
This is allowed in the EF, during a Missa Cantata when the choir is singing. The people can sit when the priest sits.

My guess is because, with elaborate settings and a schola cantorum, the singing can be quite lengthy.
 
I noticed that some parishes, we sit at some point during the Gloria (when the priest sits), and at some point during the Creed (when the priest sits).

Why do we sit during these songs? Is it that hard to stand for a full song?

If we are going to stand at the beginning then why not stand all the way? If it is not necessary to stand for the whole song, then why not sit the whole time during the song?
Since you are asking about the EF, Laszlo is right. You may not realize it, but the Gloria and Credo are long over by the time the priest sits down. The priest simply reads them to himself, finishes, and goes to sit down. There is no particular need to stand while the choir goes on with whatever choral version they’re doing, since that is not the actual liturgical Gloria or Credo.

If you sense a slight disconnect here, this is the problem then-Fr. Joseph Ratzinger was referring to when he said “superimposing a kind of para-liturgy on the archaized actual liturgy.” In the most egregious form, with a full orchestra and soloists, “[a]ccompanied by the splendor of orchestral performance, the baroque high Mass became a kind of sacred opera in which the chants of the priest functioned as a kind of periodic recitative.” In other words, the para-liturgical trappings metastasize into a full-blown concert. Have you ever seen Masses advertized by the music? “They’re doing a Palestrina Mass next week!” “Oh how lovely, and make sure you go on All Souls, it’s Mozart’s Requiem!” – that is the concert mentality.

As a result, since the para-liturgical elements have been made to seem so important, it is easy to become confused and think that they are important. “Why is the priest sitting during this marvelous Gloria?,” one asks. Little do you realize that you are not listening to the real Gloria of the Mass, which was over probably five minutes ago!

The modern form solved this problem by abolishing, in these places, the distinction between the liturgy (what the priest is doing) and the para-liturgy (what everybody else is doing around him). Thus for instance the people sing the same Gloria as the priest, and it the actual Gloria of the Mass. And the priest and people say the Credo together. The people, in this way, are participating in the actual liturgy, not just the para-liturgy. Sometimes people are confused by statements in Vatican II and elsewhere concerning the benefit of the people participating in Mass. It’s not just about whether you get to do things like sing the Credo, it’s about whether the Credo you’re singing belongs to the Mass or the para-Mass. The main drawback to the reform is that it occasionally makes older musical settings awkward to use.
Also, why do we sit during the Epistle readings? They are the word of God as well.
The distinction is maintained to give the greatest honor to the Gospels, in which the Jesus’ actual words are recorded.
 
I have never been to a Mass where either the priest or the congregation sat during either the Gloria or Creed, and I go to churches all over the place. This might just be something done in your parish.

s for the Epistle,yes, they are the Word of God, but the Gospels hold prominence as they are the words and actions of Jesus Himself, thus we stand to honor that.
FYI Everyone: TrueLight Attends the EF.
 
Also, why do we sit during the Epistle readings? They are the word of God as well.
Good question, but we kneel at the Low Masses. Very little sitting at the Low Mass. In fact, the altar servers don’t sit at all except for the sermon.
 
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