The Prayers At The Foot Of The Altar?

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What ever happened to the prayers at the foot of the altar and can they be used in the Ordinary Form Mass?:confused:
 
No. They were phased out in the mid-60s and totally excluded from the 1970 missal.

Too penitential, I suppose… :rolleyes:
 
I have heard that historically they were intended to be said in preparation for mass and gradually got absorbed into the mass. It was the intent of VII that such accretions be removed back to their proper place.
 
Joe_Kelley said:
I have heard that historically they were intended to be said in preparation for mass and gradually got absorbed into the mass. It was the intent of VII that such accretions be removed back to their proper place.
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What, currentlly is their proper place? I realize Vatican II wanted many of the repetitious elements eliminated but what would be the correct application?

I would love to see the prayers at the foot of the altar and the last Gospel added to the OF Mass. It would be a good example of what the MP called learning from each other.
 
Joe_Kelley said:
I have heard that historically they were intended to be said in preparation for mass and gradually got absorbed into the mass. It was the intent of VII that such accretions be removed back to their proper place.
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And of course, their use was promptly totally extinguished and forgotten. So much for their “proper place”. :rolleyes:
 
Corki said:
What, currentlly is their proper place? I realize Vatican II wanted many of the repetitious elements eliminated but what would be the correct application?
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It was an organic development for these prayers to be said publicly. It’s perfectly suitable, and helps ensure that they’re not forgotten. The Mass was enriched by this gradual development.

Unfortunately, today they have absolutely no place in the Pauline Mass.
 
Dauphin said:
It was an organic development for these prayers to be said publicly. It’s perfectly suitable, and helps ensure that they’re not forgotten. The Mass was enriched by this gradual development.

Unfortunately, today they have absolutely no place in the Pauline Mass.
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I’ve always pondered if it was possible for the priest could say the prayers at the foot of the altar, then go up to the altar and begin the NO Mass; then once the Mass is done read the Last Gospel.

Technically it’s not a liturgical abuse because the priest could just say that it’s not part of the Mass, he’s just saying some prayers before and after Mass.
 
The parish my sister goes to does the prayers at the foot of the altar in this fashion: ( Actually there’s just one priest who does this.)

When the Mass is over, everyone leaves the sanctuary,
Then the priest comes out alone, w/o the Mass vestments, and does them…sort of like a completely separate service.
 
Dauphin said:
It was an organic development for these prayers to be said publicly. It’s perfectly suitable, and helps ensure that they’re not forgotten. The Mass was enriched by this gradual development.

Unfortunately, today they have absolutely no place in the Pauline Mass.
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It was my understanding that the prayers at the foot of the altar occur outside of the Mass, just like the Leonine prayers; hence, they are, technically, not part of the Mass. Or am I mistaken?
 
The Prayers at the Foot of the Altar and Last Gospel were originally Sacristy devotions.

That is their proper place.
 
Rush_Catholic said:
What ever happened to the prayers at the foot of the altar and can they be used in the Ordinary Form Mass?:confused:
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The prayers at the foot of the altar were surpressed with the new mass. They cannot be used in the NO because its rubrics do not call for them.
 
Question from the peanut gallery: I’d normally put this question to the source, but since the OP-er, is gone, I’ll make it general: Good number of posts in this thread, but exactly what do you folks mean by “Prayers at the Foot of the Altar?”
 
The prayers at the foot of the altar used to take place AFTER the mass was over. It may have varied from parish to parish, or diocese to diocese, but it included parts (or all) of the rosary, the Hail Holy Queen and sometimes prayers befitting or pertinent to a specific feast day or Holy Day of Obligation…at least that’s what I remember…it’s been so long since this was customary, I’ve forgotten.
 
malphono said:
Question from the peanut gallery: I’d normally put this question to the source, but since the OP-er, is gone, I’ll make it general: Good number of posts in this thread, but exactly what do you folks mean by “Prayers at the Foot of the Altar?”
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I fear that we have two definitions going here. We always referred to the prayers at the beginning of mass as the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar. They were said in dialog between the priest and the servers at the foot of the altar before the priest went up the steps to the altar. They were a sort of penitential rite and included the Confiteor.

The three Hail Marys, Michael the Archangel etc that were prescribed by Pope Leo, were said at the foot of the altar at the end of mass; so some may be referring to them.
 
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