The Priest's Consecrated Fingers

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I have seen various posts on these fora by people claiming that the priest’s thumb and forefingers are especially consecrated and anointed, presumably so he can hold the Host.

This has never been the case, even in the Latin Rite.

First, according to a definition by Pope Pius XII, the Mystery of Holy Orders is conferred through the laying-on-of-hands by the ordaining Bishop.

**From the Apostolic Constitution Saramentum Ordinis by Pius XII in 1952:

[DS 3859] By virtue of our supreme apostolic authority we declare with sure knowledge and, as far as it may be necessary, we determine and ordain: the matter of the holy orders of diaconate, presbyterate and episcopate is the laying on of hands alone, and the sole form is the words determining the application of the matter, words by which the effects of the sacrament * that is, the power of Order and the grace of the Holy Spirit*are unequivocally signified, and which for this reason are accepted and used by the Church. This leads us to declare, and, if other provisions have been legitimately made in the past at any time, we now determine that, at least in future, the handing over of the instruments is not necessary for the validity of the holy Orders of the diaconate, the presbyterate and the episcopate.**

If this is not an infallible ex cathedra statement, it seems right next door to it to me.

Next, in the traditional rite of ordaining a priest, AFTER the imposition of hands and vesting comes the anointing of the entire hands, not just certain digits.

Note further that the prayer at the anointing of the hands (which however appropriate, actually contributes nothing, since the priesthood has already been conferred) does not refer to holding the Host.

**The Anointing of the Hands. After the first stanza the bishop seats himself and receives the miter. He takes off his gloves, and a cloth or towel is spread over his lap. The candidates approach, and kneeling before him, one by one, they hold their hands for the anointing in such a manner that the palms are turned upward and the sides and the little fingers touch each other. The bishop dips his thumb into the holy oil, draws a line from the thumb of the right hand to the index finger of the left and from the thumb of the left hand to the index finger of the right, and then anoints the whole of both palms. While doing this he pronounces the following prayer:
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  Vouchsafe, O Lord, to consecrate and sanctify these hands by this unction and our + blessing. 

  The anointed answers: Amen. 

  That whatsoever they shall bless may be blessed, and whatsoever they shall consecrate be consecrated and sanctified, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 

  The anointed answers: Amen.
Then, keeping his hands joined, he goes to the side of the altar, where one of the assisting priests binds them together with a white cloth, leaving the fingers free. When all have been anointed, the bishop purifies his thumb with crumbs of bread. **

Regardless of what the nuns might have taught you in school, we see what the rite actually directs. I hope this will clarify things for some people.
 
I’ve never heard anyone say anything about a priests fingers being specially consecrated. They do of course, be cleaned specially at Mass, before the consecration, so they are clean for touching the Body of Christ.

**The Beautiful Hands of a Priest **

We need them in life’s early morning,
we need them again at its close;
We feel their warm clasp of friendship,
we seek them when tasting life’s woes.
At the altar each day we behold them,
and the hands of a king on his throne
Are not equal to them in their
greatness; their dignity stands all alone;
And when we are tempted and wander
to pathways of shame and sin,
It’s the hand of a priest that will absolve
us----not once, but again and again;
And when we are taking life’s partner,
other hands may prepare us a feast,
But the hand that will bless and unite
us is the beautiful hand of a priest.
God bless them and keep them all holy
For the Host which their fingers caress;
When can a poor sinner do better than
to ask Him to guide thee and bless?
When the hour of death comes upon us
may our courage and strength be increased.
By seeing raised over us in anointing the
beautiful hands of a priest!

Author Unknown

Lets hope communion in the hand dies a quick and painless death, and that we begin to realise how important and special are, the “Hands of a Priest”.

I hope that terrible practice of lay people taking communion around to hospitals, dishing the Hosts out like lollies to anyone who wants It dies too. I knelt the other day, when a minister/priestess came into the hospital ward with the ciborium. She looked at me like I’d shot her, and then made some smart aleck comment “can I help you?”. I just said, no thanks, I’m just showing a bit of respect to Our Lord.

She rolled her eyes, and walked away in disgust.
 
and let it be noted that it is she who is considered to be in Full Communion with the Church. 😛
 
I have seen various posts on these fora by people claiming that the priest’s thumb and forefingers are especially consecrated and anointed, presumably so he can hold the Host.

This has never been the case, even in the Latin Rite.

First, according to a definition by Pope Pius XII, the Mystery of Holy Orders is conferred through the laying-on-of-hands by the ordaining Bishop.

**From the Apostolic Constitution Saramentum Ordinis by Pius XII in 1952:

[DS 3859] By virtue of our supreme apostolic authority we declare with sure knowledge and, as far as it may be necessary, we determine and ordain: the matter of the holy orders of diaconate, presbyterate and episcopate is the laying on of hands alone, and the sole form is the words determining the application of the matter, words by which the effects of the sacrament * that is, the power of Order and the grace of the Holy Spirit*are unequivocally signified, and which for this reason are accepted and used by the Church. This leads us to declare, and, if other provisions have been legitimately made in the past at any time, we now determine that, at least in future, the handing over of the instruments is not necessary for the validity of the holy Orders of the diaconate, the presbyterate and the episcopate.**

If this is not an infallible ex cathedra statement, it seems right next door to it to me.

Next, in the traditional rite of ordaining a priest, AFTER the imposition of hands and vesting comes the anointing of the entire hands, not just certain digits.

Note further that the prayer at the anointing of the hands (which however appropriate, actually contributes nothing, since the priesthood has already been conferred) does not refer to holding the Host.

**The Anointing of the Hands. After the first stanza the bishop seats himself and receives the miter. He takes off his gloves, and a cloth or towel is spread over his lap. The candidates approach, and kneeling before him, one by one, they hold their hands for the anointing in such a manner that the palms are turned upward and the sides and the little fingers touch each other. The bishop dips his thumb into the holy oil, draws a line from the thumb of the right hand to the index finger of the left and from the thumb of the left hand to the index finger of the right, and then anoints the whole of both palms. While doing this he pronounces the following prayer:
Code:
  Vouchsafe, O Lord, to consecrate and sanctify these hands by this unction and our + blessing. 

  The anointed answers: Amen. 

  That whatsoever they shall bless may be blessed, and whatsoever they shall consecrate be consecrated and sanctified, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 

  The anointed answers: Amen.
Then, keeping his hands joined, he goes to the side of the altar, where one of the assisting priests binds them together with a white cloth, leaving the fingers free. When all have been anointed, the bishop purifies his thumb with crumbs of bread. **

Regardless of what the nuns might have taught you in school, we see what the rite actually directs. I hope this will clarify things for some people.
I don’t think there is any question as to the actual rite of Holy Orders and although you give an accurate description of form of the sacrament, it was taught, prior to the introduction of extraordinary eucharistic ministers that only the consecrated fingers of the priest may touch the sacred species. The rubrics of the Pius V Mass carries the mark of this belief as the priest holds the thumb and index finger together from the Consecration to the ablutions, to avoid touching any other object or surface and dislodging minute particles of the Blessed Sacrament that might adhere to those fingers.

So your description of the form of Holy Orders does not address this ancient belief and practice. Indeed, one of the issues that gave me pause and led to considerable confusion was when the church introduced EEMs after the council. I, and many others, could not understand how this could possibly be done without the anointing received in Holy Orders. I don’t know how old you are or which rite you were brought up in but it was most definitely and certainly taught and believed universally in the Latin rite. St Thomas Aquinas writes:

"Because out of reverence towards this sacrament, nothing touches it, but what is consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest’s hands, for touching this sacrament." - Summa Theologica, III, Q. 82, Art. 13
 
T’is all part of the horizontal-ising of the Church.

Seems to be all orchestrated really:
  • the architecture of just about any church built since the 60’s.
  • EEMs
  • priest facing the people
  • vernacular completely replacing the language of the Church.
  • lay people distributing Holy Communion
  • communion in the hand.
  • emphasis on the “dignity of the person”
  • democratic rule seeming to take over the hierarchial structure (parish councils etc)
  • de-emphasis on sin
  • Original Sin taking a VERY back seat in the Catechism of the Chuch - anyone looked that up lately? Its mentioned twice I think in the version from the 90’s I was looking at the other day.
  • etc
 
Religion: Orthodox

I subscribe to the Zoghby initiative.

bpbasilphx —please clarify if you are really Orthodox (member of the Orthodox Church) or an Eastern Catholic. If you are Eastern Catholic – why don’t you identify yourself as such --and not cause confusion by identifying yourself as Orthodox. If Orthodox (Orthodox Church) --why would you be here stirring the pot within the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.
 
I hope that terrible practice of lay people taking communion around to hospitals, dishing the Hosts out like lollies to anyone who wants It dies too. I knelt the other day, when a minister/priestess came into the hospital ward with the ciborium. She looked at me like I’d shot her, and then made some smart aleck comment “can I help you?”. I just said, no thanks, I’m just showing a bit of respect to Our Lord.

She rolled her eyes, and walked away in disgust.
I am suprised at several things in this encounter. First that the EMHC had an entire ciborium and not a pyx with just the needed number of Hosts. Are you sure that she was Catholic? Lutheran or other mainline female misnisters may have kits for distributing their communion that simply look like Catholic items.

In our diocese, only Ordinary ministers may go into the tabernacle to get the reserved Host and it is preferred that any EMHCs ministering to the sick receive the needed Hosts directly after communion. Only the required number are put into the pyx, so no one is "dishing the Hosts out like lollies to anyone who wants It " since there are only enough for the specific persons who are being visited.

I pray constantly for more vocations, but in the meantime, I do believe it is a blessing to the sick that they are able to receive Our Lord in Holy Communion more often because of EMHCs.
 
Sister Sally.

It was a lady in a Catholic hospital in “Catholic” (I always laugh at that bit) Ireland.

She was carrying something that looked an awful lot like a ciborium. Maybe it was a pyx?

There was definately no “counting of how many hosts are needed” going on. She was walking around, handing the Hosts out like they were lollies. I am not exaggerating.

You say you pray for more vocations. I say we should pray for more vocations, and for a reversal of the things that have caused the fall in vocations. Novus Ordo Mass, celebrated in the vernacular, served by altar girls, and female extra ordinary ministers are all directly linked to the fall in vocations. Anyone who denies this is blind to the truth, and has little or no understanding of human nature, and in particular, of the things that would stir a young male to consider the priesthood.
 
T’is all part of the horizontal-ising of the Church.

Seems to be all orchestrated really:
  • Original Sin taking a VERY back seat in the Catechism of the Chuch - anyone looked that up lately? Its mentioned twice I think in the version from the 90’s I was looking at the other day.
  • etc
OT, but I just wanted to make a factual correction. Original Sin is mentioned 33 times in the CCC. ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=original+sin&s=SS

But I agree with you about the horizontal-ising of the Church (nice word creation 👍)
 
I hope that terrible practice of lay people taking communion around to hospitals, dishing the Hosts out like lollies to anyone who wants It dies too. I knelt the other day, when a minister/priestess came into the hospital ward with the ciborium. She looked at me like I’d shot her, and then made some smart aleck comment “can I help you?”. I just said, no thanks, I’m just showing a bit of respect to Our Lord.

She rolled her eyes, and walked away in disgust.
that’s awful… and makes me :mad:

someone like that should not be a Eucharistic Minister… and from what i can tell there are too many of those anyhow…

It is my understanding that rome doesn’t approve of EMs unless there are an “extraordinary” number of Communicants at Mass… I’ve been to masses where there were only about 5 people… and the priest still has someone hold the chalice… I like intinction much better & am under the impression that is the way Rome wants it done???
 
T’is all part of the horizontal-ising of the Church.

Seems to be all orchestrated really:
  • the architecture of just about any church built since the 60’s.
  • EEMs
  • priest facing the people
  • vernacular completely replacing the language of the Church.
  • lay people distributing Holy Communion
  • communion in the hand.
  • emphasis on the “dignity of the person”
  • democratic rule seeming to take over the hierarchial structure (parish councils etc)
  • de-emphasis on sin
  • Original Sin taking a VERY back seat in the Catechism of the Chuch - anyone looked that up lately? Its mentioned twice I think in the version from the 90’s I was looking at the other day.
  • etc
why doesn’t the pope just say Hey, Knock it off already!!

or something… :confused:
 
Sister Sally.

It was a lady in a Catholic hospital in “Catholic” (I always laugh at that bit) Ireland.

She was carrying something that looked an awful lot like a ciborium. Maybe it was a pyx?

There was definately no “counting of how many hosts are needed” going on. She was walking around, handing the Hosts out like they were lollies. I am not exaggerating.

You say you pray for more vocations. I say we should pray for more vocations, and for a reversal of the things that have caused the fall in vocations. Novus Ordo Mass, celebrated in the vernacular, served by altar girls, and female extra ordinary ministers are all directly linked to the fall in vocations. Anyone who denies this is blind to the truth, and has little or no understanding of human nature, and in particular, of the things that would stir a young male to consider the priesthood.
i didn’t know there was something unorthodox about female extradornary Ministers??

It is my opinion (tho i defer to the Church teachings)… that EM’s are needed to take Communion to the sikc when the priest is unavailable… which, since there’s a shortage of priests, if often… :confused:
 
603304529;5372931I hope that terrible practice of lay people taking communion around to hospitals said:
I just want to say there have been a few times I have had to transport a ciborium full of the consecrated Eucharist, and it is an extremely hard thing to do. The whole time I’m doing it, I want to fall on my knees, but can’t, because then I wouldn’t be able to move it where it needed to be.

Being at a true Catholic university and doing it almost brought a tear to your eyes. We would always process it with a candle and bells, so that everyone knew. People would stop throwing frisbees, but down cell phones, and just stop in the middle of walking to fall to their knees.
 
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