The pro-life common sense clincher

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So then we should also pray to St. Joseph, and pray that Pelosi’s eyes are opened to Truth.

Not to mention Obama’s eyes.
 
Now look at that Executive Order. Looks like Obama is rubbing the sleep from his eyes!
 
Today he signs the Executive Order.

Deo gratias!
Maybe he give one about his bedtime(and maybe an official curfew for his daughters!). Or maybe he could fine himself for smoking. I really do think that executive order is worthless, and it reaffirms that many politicians are idiots.
 
Don’t you worry. We are going to find out if it’s worth the paper it’s written on. 😃
 
As an atheist pro choicer (pro-abort to you fanatics who use that term), I don’t see pro lifers in Christian churches, including the Catholic church. (Full disclosure; I was raised Protestant; converted to Catholicism at 19 and have been an atheist for 25 years.)

Robert George, the architect of much of the USCCB’s position, was recently quoted in the “NY Times” as saying Catholics should not pursue issues like infant mortality, the death penalty, etc., because these are difficult to resolve.

What I see is hypocrisy. Abortion deals with sex and with women. Infant mortality deals with children, money and poverty. The elite who want rules made for women about sex refuse to acknowledge the US has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the western world. It’s easy to castigate women about sex. It’s more difficult to tell rich men they have to provide healthcare, decent wages, etc., for families so pregnant women can get healthcare. That’s why the Bishops fought healthcare. Not because of abortion, but because they’re inextricably linked to the right wing of the wealthy, elite GOP.

If there was CONSISTENCY in the Catholic position…if the Bishops fought against infant mortality as hard as they do abortion, THEN they’d have credibility. But the ‘prolife’ position is one of controlling women and sex, while ignoring the rich and powerful. (And, no, the new healthcare bill will not increase or fund abortions. That’s just another ploy by the elites.)
 
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If there was CONSISTENCY in the Catholic position…if the Bishops fought against infant mortality as hard as they do abortion, THEN they’d have credibility.*

You just don’t get it, do you?

Abortion is infant mortality!!!
 
Anti abortionists seem to think abortion is ‘infant mortality’, but infant mortality isn’t.

That’s my point. Thanks for helping me make it. You demonstrate the EXACT attitude I’m talking about.
 
Seems sort of strange being counseled on credibility from someone who was a Protestant, then a Catholic, and now an atheist. Can’t you make up your mind? What are you going to be next week? A Buddhist?, or Muslim?

This is typical of most Pro-Choice people…they agree with the Death Penalty, and support abortion. A woman can choose to kill her baby, but not to use her body to stay off welfare (Prostitution) if she ‘chooses’.

I have the ultimate killer argument against abortion, and I always win. I tell people that if abortions had been legal in the 1940s and 50s, I wouldn’t be here. Now, it’s been a tough road getting to where I am now, but I am starting to accomplish things, and I have done a lot for many people. I do not think the decision as to whether I got the chance to use the time allotted to me to make the world a better place should’ve rested with a woman who didn’t want me in the first place. Then, I tell them to look me in then eye, and tell me that I didn’t have a right to live, and my whole life has been a mistake (by the way, I am a Dr. of Holistic Health (ND), a Red Cross Disaster Team Member, and an ordained Independent Minister).

Everyone who believes abortions is a woman’s ‘right’ should be required to watch “It’s A Wonderful Life”. No person can foretell the future. You have no idea what impact your child might have had on others. In my case, there are many people who would not be alive if not for my being alive, including my children, grandchildren, patients I have helped, people I have helped rescue, etc… You just can’t know, and it’s not your decision. As a woman, it might be God’s will that you suffer some to bring a new life into the world. It may stink, but we all have to do things that we don’t like from time to time.

Remember, Jesus also suffered, so that we could all live in God’s grace. What if He had just said “I don’t want to do this. It’s too hard…”? Then, we would all be victims of a Spiritual Abortion. How would these Pro-Choicers feel then?..Oh, I forgot, most of them are atheists, so they don’t believe in anything other than themselves to start with.

Deus vobiscum
As an atheist pro choicer (pro-abort to you fanatics who use that term), I don’t see pro lifers in Christian churches, including the Catholic church. (Full disclosure; I was raised Protestant; converted to Catholicism at 19 and have been an atheist for 25 years.)

Robert George, the architect of much of the USCCB’s position, was recently quoted in the “NY Times” as saying Catholics should not pursue issues like infant mortality, the death penalty, etc., because these are difficult to resolve.

What I see is hypocrisy. Abortion deals with sex and with women. Infant mortality deals with children, money and poverty. The elite who want rules made for women about sex refuse to acknowledge the US has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the western world. It’s easy to castigate women about sex. It’s more difficult to tell rich men they have to provide healthcare, decent wages, etc., for families so pregnant women can get healthcare. That’s why the Bishops fought healthcare. Not because of abortion, but because they’re inextricably linked to the right wing of the wealthy, elite GOP.

If there was CONSISTENCY in the Catholic position…if the Bishops fought against infant mortality as hard as they do abortion, THEN they’d have credibility. But the ‘prolife’ position is one of controlling women and sex, while ignoring the rich and powerful. (And, no, the new healthcare bill will not increase or fund abortions. That’s just another ploy by the elites.)
 
I have the ultimate killer argument against abortion, and I always win.
It’s not a killer argument at all.
Life is full of “what ifs”. 🤷
 
Seems sort of strange being counseled on credibility from someone who was a Protestant, then a Catholic, and now an atheist. Can’t you make up your mind? What are you going to be next week? A Buddhist?, or Muslim?

I wasn’t aware that 27 years of being an atheist was ‘next week.’ And what of Catholics who convert from another religion? Can’t they ‘make up their minds?’ It’s an irrelevant observation to dodge the issue.

This is typical of most Pro-Choice people…they agree with the Death Penalty, and support abortion. A woman can choose to kill her baby, but not to use her body to stay off welfare (Prostitution) if she ‘chooses’.

I could equally say your insults are characteristic of most ‘prolife’ people. You make ANOTHER irrelevant comment. Care to address the issue?

I have the ultimate killer argument against abortion, and I always win. I tell people that if abortions had been legal in the 1940s and 50s, I wouldn’t be here.

And the same argument can be made against contraception. So you’re saying that 75% of Catholics are immoral since they use contraception in good conscience? If this is your best argument, it’s rather easily countered.

Remember, Jesus also suffered, so that we could all live in God’s grace.

I’m an atheist, so what Jesus did is not of concern to me. If you believe Jesus did something, keep it to yourself and don’t try to make me believe it.
 
Pro-Choice advocates will be happy to learn that the Holy Sprit is also Pro Choice.
(See Deut 30:18-19)
God puts before every human being on earth Two Choices: Life or Death.
You see, God did not create robots.
God does not force us to choose. God, who created each and every one “in His Image and Likeness” endowed us with free will.
God is very much in favor of our ability to choose.
BUT, He also tells us which choice to make.
“CHOOSE LIFE”.
The consequences of making the opposite choice leads to death.
We must obey God, or, suffer the consequences. (Look at what happened to our first parents, when they chose disobedience)
May the Holy Spirit guide you.
 
The “I wouldn’t be here if…” argument would also condemn NFP.
 
Can you show me where it is worded this way in official Catholic writings? I would like to read the background and the thinking behind that.

Also, in the example of post #31, since abortion would not be allowed by the Catholic Church; why wouldn’t the doctor be equally guilty then of killing the mother to save the baby? Does the Catholic Church teach it is OK to kill in one circumstance, but not the other?
2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion.
This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.
Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

Direct abortion is a grave sin. When the mothers life is at risk resulting from the pregnancy the baby may be removed. The baby must be saved if it is at all possible. The main factor here is that the possible resulting death of the baby is not the purpose of it being removed, it is saving the mothers life.
 
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