The problem of Femicide in the world

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This isn’t even an abstract matter, there was someone in this forum that claimed she was almost abducted in a van on our American continent and that a Good Samaritan came to her help. So, this is that far removed from being a real situation.


Mirando a las madres y a las abuelas, quiero invitarlos a luchar contra una plaga que afecta a nuestro continente americano: los numerosos casos de feminicidio",

“Our American continent”, Last I looked that includes North America.
 
@Victoria33 I don’t believe anything the pope is “quoted” on except if it’s on the Vatican website because otherwise it’s very likely a misquote.

Then, pope Francis has used some ‘casual terminology’ that is exactly that: “colloquial verbal”.

I do not believe the pope said the word “femicide” unless it’s on the Vatican website and not some news outlet. And even if he did, it was colloquial language, and the pope himself wouldn’t lend his authority to a neologism charged with ideology - unless by way of colloquial.

And on the contrary of what you say, all popes in the last century addressed the same issue and didn’t need that word to do it. So there it is…
 
Salmonslayer said:
It’s up to women to procreate with good men, not bad ones.
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So now women are at fault for femicide? How ridiculous. I’m certainly not one of those people who blame men for everything or throw around words like “patriarchy,” but this is clearly a problem of men not behaving properly. And you want to pin that on women? Absurd.
 
Absolutely the opposite ,Adgloriam.
I am sincerely glad you are not familiar with what is going on. It is men themselves who loose their daughters…It is about murder. Men and women alike cry for their loved ones…
It really isn’t t against men,but awareness against those who believe they are because they are brutes,and believe themselves better,more powerful and with a right to treat women as trash. And as if it weren t enough,kill them.
That cannot by any means refer to a man.
Femicide . We call call it femicide,and there is nothing but grieving families behind.
 
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You are not addressing a single thing of what I said.

You can also write in Spanish or Portuguese if you want, because I understand both.

The OP, although linking 1 particular Argentinian case, linked the broader UK 2017 statistics.
graciew said:
believe themselves better,more powerful and with a right to treat women as trash
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If you said the exact same sentence exchanging the word human for women it would still hold. Thus, dehumanizing isn’t restricted by gender. Neither is violence restricted by gender.
 
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Thankyou, I was thinking posting something on femicide. It’s problem everywhere but of the 25 countries with the most femicides, 14 are in South America. A massive problem with these femicides is that police don’t seem to take them seriously. People often blame women for being victims of violence. Sorry for taking things this far but femicide is a pro-life issue. Indifference to femicide can never be pro-life. (Yes we should take femicide as seriously as abortion)
 
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of the 25 countries with the most femicides, 14 are in South America.
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Of the 25 countries with the most homicides, 20 are in South America.

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Juxtaposed by gender: Source: Wikipedia.

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I’m all ears.
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I was trying to explain the reasons why none of the popes ever used the word “femicide” except -apparently, allegedly- pope Francis, twice, this year, on informal occasions (I won’t believe it without a video or quote on the Vatican website.)

And there are very good reasons for why that word has not been used by the popes.

[And yes, all popes have addressed gender violence. We should follow the popes example, including their careful choice of words. That’s what I was trying to say.]
 
" The plague of femicide".
And much suffered in silence
It is a source of suffering.

And if a space for awareness of that source of suffering is necessary,and needs to be addressed,thank you Lord .You have always been there for us. And it needs to be addressed.The Pope has pointed it out.And we know it.
 
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So here it is:
luchar contra una plaga que afecta a nuestro continente americano: los numerosos casos de feminicidio.
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http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...o_20180120_peru-trujillo-celebrazmariana.html

English:
combat a scourge that affects our American continent: the numerous cases where women are killed.
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http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...o_20180120_peru-trujillo-celebrazmariana.html

German:
Plage zu kämpfen, die unseren amerikanischen Kontinent heimsucht: die zahlreichen Fälle von Frauenmord.
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Portuguese:
contra uma praga que fere o nosso continente americano: os numerosos casos de feminicídio.
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Polish:
walki z plagą, która dotyka nasz kontynent amerykański: liczne przypadki zabójstw kobiet.
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Escucha, el problema en Europa es invertido … He visto a muchas mujeres tratar mal a sus maridos. El papa Francisco en la frase siguiente a ésta dice que son necesarios cambios legales y culturales. Pero si miras a los países que están cincuenta años por delante, sigue habiendo problemas. Y la violencia deja ser bajo la forma física y pasa a la forma simbolica, por eso te digo: lo que más he visto son mujeres que abandonan maridos buenos tentadas por la vanidad incitadas por las falsas amigas. Y si ver a Brasil, mi hermana en Cristo, la cultura del adulterio está en todas partes - no le faltan adeptos. Usted lo sabe.

Las leyes y la cultura no resuelven por entero problemas morales ni espirituales, hay países en que la crisis es otra.

Y si quieres un consejo, repudia también tú la cultura de injusticia hacia los hombres. Femininistas he visto muchas, mujeres buenas ni tantas.
 
In English,please.
Per forum rules.

Your post translated :

"Listen, , the problem in Europe is reversed … I have seen many women treat their husbands badly. Pope Francis in the phrase following this says that legal and cultural changes are necessary. But if you look at the countries that are fifty years ahead, there are still problems. And the violence lets be under the physical form and passes to the symbolic form, that’s why I tell you: what I have seen the most are women who abandon good husbands tempted by vanity incited by false friends. And if I see Brazil, my sister in Christ, the culture of adultery is everywhere - there is no shortage of followers. You know it.

Laws and culture do not solve entirely moral or spiritual problems, there are countries in which the crisis is different.

And if you want advice, you also repudiate the culture of injustice towards men. Feminists I have seen many, and good women not so many."
 
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Feminists who support abortion support femicide. There is as much femicide in the United States as anywhere. When they start fighting to end abortion is when I’ll start caring what they have to say and any of them who support abortion are hypocrites who support femicide.
 
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In English,please.
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You need but too ask. (except for Polish I do well with those other languages).

What pope Francis said was in Spanish, applied to the South/Central Americas. I’ll tell you more, there are pretty good reasons why the Vatican didn’t translate the word into English - but did so into Italian, French, Portuguese, German. So, what hint did the Vatican give us? The pope certainly didn’t say it in English, and neither was a syllable femi-NI-cidio missing in the middle of the word.

Why @graciew ?

Because, in no other culture/language has the term become synonymous with hostilizing men - except in English. In fact, one of the things that struck me when I joined CAF was realizing the graveness of the current conflict in language surrounding gender issues, which has its exponent and emanation in the US more than anywhere else. (the pope would never add division to anything dividing the genders, brothers and sisters.)

And that is the reason, why my “sixth sense” didn’t fail me - and I knew immediately the pope hadn’t said that word in English - nor with the specific semantics and connotations quoted in the OP. [Did anyone else immediately realize that word was turn of the 17th century without consulting the etymology reference? Because I did…]

Why?

Because that would not be “frauenfeindlich” but “männerfeindlich” (in the current cultural context of our time)- and I’m really sorry but no other language can capture or express that.
  • I have no doubt, the pope would say it in Afrikaans or Hindi.
And thus, such matter is entirely too grave to be debated on wrong terms, and that is why I started by pointed out the importance and nuance of the wordplay in play.

Yes, such ill fate is DEPLORABLE.

And I have since long learned that no woman is entitled to hostilize me only because I am a man.
 
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there’s a difference between a crime of passion and simply killing someone because they’re female–like in some Asian countries where parents leave their daughters out to die.

bokbok
 
Well,it is this sort of thinking what we are dealing with as a source of suffering
 
graciew said:
Well,it is this sort of thinking what we are dealing with as a source of suffering
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Now I finally understand what you are saying !! Perfect.

I’ll give you one example you will love:

500 years ago when the Europeans reached India, widows and orphan girls didn’t have the right to inherit their husband/father’s property - upon their protectors death they were disowned (as is still the case in some countries). I’m not entirely sure which pope it was, but there was some debate in Rome if in name of peace the local custom should be respected, and that pope said in no uncertain terms:“If necessary you have my blessing to wage war in order to ensure that widows and orphans get their due inheritance - there will be no compromise on that.” - And this is a part of legal history. So the church does have a pioneering history in woman’s rights.
 
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