The problem of goodness

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goout said:
Why does God allow human beings to exist? None of us asked to be born.
Why did a God who is all powerful make me exist?
Here I am drawing breath. It is good to be alive.

It’s not fair.
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God wants us to share in the eternal glory of his being. God wants us to be eternally happy with him. God’s nature is goodness itself, and so it is good to exist and be with God. Unfortunately there is suffering in our present state of being, and so it is not easy to see the good of it at times. But we all intuitively know that being alive is something to be valued; we just don’t like to suffer…
 
Aquinas11 said:
That is mutually exclusive with “why did God make me exist ” (OP) since it ignores free will of the human beings in the pro-creation.
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I believe my parents were heartily willing to prep for the fertilization that became a zygote disposed to animation by a Human Form (my Soul), and when they were knowing this activity in unison with God knowing his joint causation of me with them as proximate causes, that is when I was conceived in a joint knowing of God and my parents. That is the only time conception happens: in the Joint-Knowing, the Joint-Causation, the Co-Operation of God and Man and Woman (and in some cases defective knowing - such as IVF). And it is normally with willing parents.

As to why did God create me - to share his Happiness. He knows I desire it. A gift. So, in my gratitude (one of the virtues) I thank Him, worship Him, and as he poured his whole being into creating me to have him in me, I am his servant freely, pouring my whole being into him (offering him my prayers, works, joys, sufferings of today in union with His Son’s sacrifice re-presented in the Mass).

It is a gift; the answer to why is: So as His Name is ‘I AM’, He has given me to participate in his divinity, to know myself also as ‘I Am’ rather than knowing myself as “I ought to be something but I am not yet and may never be.”

John Martin
 
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John_Martin said:
It is a gift; the answer to why is: So as His Name is ‘I AM’, He has given me to participate in his divinity, to know myself also as ‘I Am’ rather than knowing myself as “I ought to be something but I am not yet and may never be.”
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I would like to see or co-operate with God in creating a new universe.
 
What’s not fair is that a good and loving God came to pay the ransom of my sins, to open heaven for us so we can enjoy eternity with him. To think about that is mind blowing.
 
Gorgias said:
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goout:
(it;s also good to note the question has an element of satire)
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There are two kinds of irony: intentional and unintentional. If you’re claiming this thread is ‘satire’, in a post in the philosophy forum, then… 🤣
IWantGod said:
You’re entitled to your opinion
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Oh, the irony is getting deeper and deeper around here!
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The question is intended to gain full perspective on the endless “problem of evil” threads which hold God accountable for half of life, while ignoring the “problem of good”.
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You’ve been given this incredible gift of life!
You are here today. Not a hundred years ago, or a thousand years ago.
God has a plan for you that is uniquely for you. No one else. Take His hand, ask Him to walk with you, guide you. I bet when you look back in 10 years, you’ll go ‘wow’.
You will find your most amazing ‘you’ when God is with you.
That’s why he was born to us, in a humble manger. God is with us!
 
God is just, not fair ??

Nah, there’s no problem. 🙂
God is love, and love is inherently creative.
 
Yes I know and agree with that

But in times when I’m down and had hoped for that third way out

I wonder if nothing at all > infinite
happiness
At first it seemed like an easy question
But when you calculate living earthly life + risk of hell
And that I want the infinite happiness only because I exist
The non-existence sounds like an “I’m out” option

My realization is that God made me and I don’t get to tell him who he creates or wether I want to exist or not
So because I exist
I will try for heaven because it is the best option and I believe God exists and is good

It’s just hard sometimes :confused:
 
CHILDREN are the goodness and the beauty in the world. What is most attacked? Innocence. 💛
 
ineedofmercy said:
Yes I know and agree with that

But in times when I’m down and had hoped for that third way out

I wonder if nothing at all > infinite
happiness
At first it seemed like an easy question
But when you calculate living earthly life + risk of hell
And that I want the infinite happiness only because I exist
The non-existence sounds like an “I’m out” option

My realization is that God made me and I don’t get to tell him who he creates or wether I want to exist or not
So because I exist
I will try for heaven because it is the best option and I believe God exists and is good

It’s just hard sometimes :confused:
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You don’t just exist. God has a plan and a problem only you can solve. You are an integral piece of the puzzle…an integral part of the body of Christ. You don’t just exist.
 
I agree with this too

My thoughts on not existing sprout from depression and just a selfishness of not wanting myself to have to do this anymore

However, when ignore my negativity, God did give me an absurd appreciation for small details in life and just a very childlike excitement for the good the world has

I try to hold on to that world view
But I’m sure we all at times think
We were thrown into the world and now we have to follow these rules that attack our desires or we suffer more forever

Now I’m aware what I said above is incorrect
But I also sympathize with those who think it
Part of it is Sloth of the soul
Not wanting to suffer to the point where it would rather feel nothing and not exist rather than do the hard work to achieve heaven

I think everyone should experience these thoughts but come to the conclusion that God knows best and tell God about what brought them to think about hoping there was a “way out”

That’s what I did
And I’m just 17/18
So I have that unhealthy fear that I might live a long time
 
You may want to find ways to enjoy yourself more, perhaps through the Church but perhaps in other innocent ways too. People have been the source of my happiest and my most miserable experiences, so yes, there are risks, that why a strong belief in God can help,us to cope with the transient nature of human relationships, though not all human relationships are transient, some people enjoy lifelong friendships and marriage of course. These things are encountered in good time.

Try not to develop a dystopian view of life, it can be fun too. Shun negativity and nurture positive ideas, they will serve you better I’d say.
 
I’m very optimistic too my friends who say negative things (should take my own advice )
And in know in my head the truth when my heart ignores

Thank you
Thankfully this isn’t a very active part of my personality
 
When I used to imagine having a child I’d imagine teaching it and watching it grow, having fun and perhaps giving that child things I didn’t have when I was a child, in other words reliving my own childhood to some extent. I also imagined we would love each other too.

I wasn’t a Catholic then and you might notice that most of my reasons revolves around ME, not the child. Having a child was something of a vanity project in some ways and something of an attempt at catharsis.

I don’t remember ever thinking how it would be for the child apart from perhaps wondering if I wanted to bring a child into this world and maybe witness he or she suffer because of it. I decided I’d take that risk!

For me then having a child was mostly for me, for my vanity and enjoyment.
 
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