The Problem With Money

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1 Timothy 6: 6 [But] godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world: and certainly we can carry nothing out. 8 But having food, and wherewith to be covered, with these we are content. 9 For they that will become rich, fall into temptation, and into the snare of the devil, and into many unprofitable and hurtful desires, which drown men into destruction and perdition. 10 For the desire of money is the root of all evils; which some coveting have erred from the faith, and have entangled themselves in many sorrows. 11 But thou, O man of God, fly these things: and pursue justice, godliness, faith, charity, patience, mildness.
I chose this passage because I think it quite handily encapsulates the problem with money. It acknowledges the reality that a man comes into the world with nothing, and subsequently leaves this world in the same condition. It teaches that we should be content to have food and clothing (I think shelter is also implied), and spend our time pursuing happiness.

It also illustrates how the desire for money is a snare; that chasing evermore after money causes people to ignore the profitable pursuit of virtue, and entangles them in many sorrows, ultimately drowning them in perdition. According to Paul, the pursuit of money then - in God’s economy - is unprofitable, even destructive.

Yet society cannot survive or advance without money. If society is a body of people, then money is the blood in the body. It carries much needed resources to every member, circulating among them, exchanging work for sustenance, the work product in turn going to another member, that it too might exchange services for sustenance and enjoy the pursuit of happiness.

So we see that money itself is not evil, and is in fact a blessing. For without money, we are left with a more difficult situation. Bartering goods and services without a medium of exchange relies on members needing a profitable exchange at the very same time. If party A has corn, and party B has shoes, in order for an exchange to occur, party A must need shoes and party B must need corn, both at the same time.

Money solves this problem by allowing people to store the value of their work in something that everyone agrees to accept as valuable. Many are the different forms of money that have been invented. But whatever form money has taken, it’s chief purpose has always been to enable people to have a more efficient medium of exchange, in order that value might circulate freely in the community, efficiently, thus making it easier for people to acquire the things they need.

It comes as no surprise then, that some people have sought to use money as a means of gaining power and control over others in society. By making money scarce in an economy, it is possible to bring people into varying degrees of poverty, leaving them less able to pursue their happiness. The more scarce money is, the more people need to rely on their own efforts and barter. The less scarce money is, the more people can multiply their efforts, and raise their standard of living.

In modern times, a system of money creation has been invented that addresses the problem of scarcity: fractional reserve banking. Supposedly, this system addresses the problem of some people manipulating the money supply in order to gain power in society. It allows for money to be created in excess of the value in an economy at a given time, thereby avoiding the problem of scarcity. The belief is that the money supply can be managed in such a way, so as to empower people to acquire money when otherwise it would not be available.

Now rather than go into all of the various internal mechanisms that make this possible, instead I want to illustrate the chief means of how this is done, and how it feeds the love of money, and deceives people into falling into the snare of destruction.

The chief means of managing scarcity is the issue of credit. Credit is not money. Credit is the provision of money, goods, or services with the expectation of future payment. So if a person needs money for whatever reason, he can go to a bank and apply for a loan. If he is deemed credit worty, credit is extended to him, and he receives the money he needs.

Here is where I think the present money system insidiously traps people. Everyone sees the danger of debt, but how many see that an entire economy’s money supply - being based on credit - leaves people without any option but to continually seek money, taking them away from their pursuit of happiness as defined by Paul?
 
I don’t think the problem is with money persay, as much as with wealth. Money is just the system which our society uses to distribute wealth. Society isn’t more materialistic just because we barter with paper and coins instead of goats and chickens. Whenever someone’s main goal in life becomes to amass wealth, either in the form of banknotes, a huge house, overpriced cars, or a lifetime supply of toilet paper and canned goods in the cellar, they run the risk of abandoning their mission as a Christian. The happiest people are those who are happy with what they have.
 
I don’t think the problem is with money persay, as much as with wealth. Money is just the system which our society uses to distribute wealth. Society isn’t more materialistic just because we barter with paper and coins instead of goats and chickens. Whenever someone’s main goal in life becomes to amass wealth, either in the form of banknotes, a huge house, overpriced cars, or a lifetime supply of toilet paper and canned goods in the cellar, they run the risk of abandoning their mission as a Christian. The happiest people are those who are happy with what they have.
Well, the problem I’m trying to illustrate is how credit forces people into chasing money. Our money is not really money - it’s banking credit and Federal Reserve notes, both of which are created out of promises to pay. In fact, when dealing with a bank, there are no other options than to promise to pay, plus interest. Even the government is subject to this, and usury is sinful.

This is the way our money is created. When we borrow, the bank doesn’t lend us money from its vault. No, it gets permission to extend us credit, then creates the credit out of nothing and deposits it in our account.

The government does the same thing. If it wants to spend money in the economy it borrows it at interest. Even 0% is at interest, because there are other strings attached besides the actual repayment.

Now think about this: if a bank creates 100 @ 5%, where does the 5 come from in order to pay the interest? Answer: from another loan.

What this system does is enable people to get things they otherwise would do without, but it demands interest. Since there can never be enough money is existence to ever repay the debt, people are caught in a never ending chase for the money.
 
What this system does is enable people to get things they otherwise would do without, but it demands interest. Since there can never be enough money is existence to ever repay the debt, people are caught in a never ending chase for the money.
Assuming, of course, that the person chooses to purchase things on credit in the first place. Having such a monatary system doesn’t require this. A person can choose not to borrow if they want to, or they can choose to be extremely careful in what they borrow for. It is certainly possible for a prudent person to live within their means and have time, talent, and perhaps even treasure left over to serve the Kingdom of God. I do think that we are lacking as a society in our understanding of how our financial choices effect us spiritually. I enjoy listening to Catholic radio shows regarding being a good stewart of our financial and material resources because I think it is something that most people don’t consider a “religious matter”.
 
Assuming, of course, that the person chooses to purchase things on credit in the first place. Having such a monatary system doesn’t require this. A person can choose not to borrow if they want to, or they can choose to be extremely careful in what they borrow for. It is certainly possible for a prudent person to live within their means and have time, talent, and perhaps even treasure left over to serve the Kingdom of God. I do think that we are lacking as a society in our understanding of how our financial choices effect us spiritually. I enjoy listening to Catholic radio shows regarding being a good stewart of our financial and material resources because I think it is something that most people don’t consider a “religious matter”.
Do you understand I’m talking about more than individual behavior? Do you realize the entire world - save for a few Muslim countries - is caught up in the usury system?

Today, it is simply impossible to to get any kind of legal money without entering into the usury system. The very act of holding it makes a person part of it.

Here is what Pope Benedict XIV had to say about usury ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/B14VIXPE.htm
 
Today, it is simply impossible to to get any kind of legal money without entering into the usury system. The very act of holding it makes a person part of it.

Here is what Pope Benedict XIV had to say about usury ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/B14VIXPE.htm
This view is not supported by this document. Actually, I find the document hard to follow in general. At first, it seems to indicate that expecting interest on any and all loans in usery. The next paragraph claims that there are legitimate reasons for some loans to require interest. Then it goes on to say that no agreement has been made as to what the specific requirements should be in order to declare an interest attached loan a just one. So, it amounts to “watch the borrowing and the lending and try to be prudent.” Nowhere in the document does it say that any handling of money constitutes usary. Basically, usary is when you make an unjust gain by charging interest on a loan.
 
This view is not supported by this document. Actually, I find the document hard to follow in general. At first, it seems to indicate that expecting interest on any and all loans in usery. The next paragraph claims that there are legitimate reasons for some loans to require interest. Then it goes on to say that no agreement has been made as to what the specific requirements should be in order to declare an interest attached loan a just one. So, it amounts to “watch the borrowing and the lending and try to be prudent.” Nowhere in the document does it say that any handling of money constitutes usary. Basically, usary is when you make an unjust gain by charging interest on a loan.
I agree it can be hard to follow, but there are some very hard and fast points made, to wit:
I. The nature of the sin called usury has its proper place and origin in a loan contract. This financial contract between consenting parties demands, by its very nature, that one return to another only as much as he has received. The sin rests on the fact that sometimes the creditor desires more than he has given. Therefore he contends some gain is owed him beyond that which he loaned, but any gain which exceeds the amount he gave is illicit and usurious.
Now, that Encyclical was written in 1745, and the system in force today had not yet been invented. Today’s system is inherently sinful, since no money can ever be in circulation unless it is borrowed at interest into circulation.

This is a much, much bigger problem than imprudent individuals using debt unwisely. The whole world is chasing money, ignoring godly pursuit of happiness. It is the chief sin afflicting the world today, in my opinion.
 
I agree it can be hard to follow, but there are some very hard and fast points made, to wit:

Now, that Encyclical was written in 1745, and the system in force today had not yet been invented. Today’s system is inherently sinful, since no money can ever be in circulation unless it is borrowed at interest into circulation.

This is a much, much bigger problem than imprudent individuals using debt unwisely. The whole world is chasing money, ignoring godly pursuit of happiness. It is the chief sin afflicting the world today, in my opinion.
How can that be a “hard point” when the following paragraph says this?

“III. By these remarks, however, We do not deny that at times together with the loan contract certain other titles-which are not at all intrinsic to the contract-may run parallel with it. From these other titles, entirely just and legitimate reasons arise to demand something over and above the amount due on the contract. Nor is it denied that it is very often possible for someone, by means of contracts differing entirely from loans, to spend and invest money legitimately either to provide oneself with an annual income or to engage in legitimate trade and business. From these types of contracts honest gain may be made.”

Chasing money rather than holiness is definately a huge sin, though I don’t know that I’d agree it is the chief sin. However, one is not culpable for a sin they aren’t aware exists or that they have no control over, so I think it’s a stretch to say that holding money that one rightfully earned by their own labor constitutes the sin of usary.
 
I don’t think the problem is with money persay, as much as with wealth. Money is just the system which our society uses to distribute wealth. Society isn’t more materialistic just because we barter with paper and coins instead of goats and chickens. Whenever someone’s main goal in life becomes to amass wealth, either in the form of banknotes, a huge house, overpriced cars, or a lifetime supply of toilet paper and canned goods in the cellar, they run the risk of abandoning their mission as a Christian. The happiest people are those who are happy with what they have.
Well said; however some people do suffer from hoarding and it’s a mental illness.
We have a woman who suffers form hoarding in our City and she is well known for she was on television on one of the hoarding shows and she has a lifetime supply of everything including garbage. Some people with OCD do the same thing; hoard things.
In those instances it’s not an instance of not being able to appreciate what they have but having a medical problem.

Mary.
 
Well said; however some people do suffer from hoarding and it’s a mental illness.
We have a woman who suffers form hoarding in our City and she is well known for she was on television on one of the hoarding shows and she has a lifetime supply of everything including garbage. Some people with OCD do the same thing; hoard things.
In those instances it’s not an instance of not being able to appreciate what they have but having a medical problem.

Mary.
That’s true. Hoarding as a result of a mental illness isn’t the same as hoarding as a result of greed.
 
How can that be a “hard point” when the following paragraph says this?

“III. By these remarks, however, We do not deny that at times together with the loan contract certain other titles-which are not at all intrinsic to the contract-may run parallel with it. From these other titles, entirely just and legitimate reasons arise to demand something over and above the amount due on the contract. Nor is it denied that it is very often possible for someone, by means of contracts differing entirely from loans, to spend and invest money legitimately either to provide oneself with an annual income or to engage in legitimate trade and business. From these types of contracts honest gain may be made.”

Chasing money rather than holiness is definately a huge sin, though I don’t know that I’d agree it is the chief sin. However, one is not culpable for a sin they aren’t aware exists or that they have no control over, so I think it’s a stretch to say that holding money that one rightfully earned by their own labor constitutes the sin of usary.
" We do not deny that at times together with the loan contract certain other titles-which are not at all intrinsic to the contract-may run parallel with it. From these other titles, entirely just and legitimate reasons arise to demand something over and above the amount due on the contract." See, two different subjects. Our present subject is usurious loans, while that subject is a different kind of contract, having to do with titles.

Your other point - that it’s a stretch - tells me you still don’t understand what you’re holding, when you hold money. You’re holding a promise to pay. You’re holding a debt, to which you become liable when you hand it off to someone else. The US stands behind dollars with its full faith and credit. And since you use its currency, you become bound through taxation to help repay its obligations.

But now the conversation is going away from the topic, which is usury and sin manifesting in the world through money, and dragging the entire world into perdition.
 
" We do not deny that at times together with the loan contract certain other titles-which are not at all intrinsic to the contract-may run parallel with it. From these other titles, entirely just and legitimate reasons arise to demand something over and above the amount due on the contract." See, two different subjects. Our present subject is usurious loans, while that subject is a different kind of contract, having to do with titles.
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What is the difference in real life?
 
What is the difference in real life?
Say you borrow for a car, and agree to repay at 5%, and the bank becomes the lienholder on the title to the car. If you default, they can take the car, and that is not necessarily usurious.
 
Say you borrow for a car, and agree to repay at 5%, and the bank becomes the lienholder on the title to the car. If you default, they can take the car, and that is not necessarily usurious.
Taking the car isn’t usurious or taking the 5% isn’t usurious?
 
Taking the car isn’t usurious or taking the 5% isn’t usurious?
Say I lent you $1000 at no interest at all. I didn’t create the credit like a bank does. I went into my shoebox and gave you the money out of that. But I want to make sure I’m repaid, so I make one of the conditions for the loan that I be made the lienholder on the title. If you repay me, there’s no problem.

Now let’s complicate it a bit. What if you had been able to buy a new Ferrari for $1000? If I repo’d it on your default, after you had paid down your debt to me $900, would that be usurious? I think it could be.
 
Taking the car isn’t usurious or taking the 5% isn’t usurious?
To clarify, I think any interest at all (by a bank) is usurious, because the bank takes no risk. It’s not a fair transaction, in my opinion. No doubt people will disagree, and might open up another facet of this discussion, but one of the consequences from using banking credit is there is no risk on the part of the bank.
 
Say I lent you $1000 at no interest at all. I didn’t create the credit like a bank does. I went into my shoebox and gave you the money out of that. But I want to make sure I’m repaid, so I make one of the conditions for the loan that I be made the lienholder on the title. If you repay me, there’s no problem.

Now let’s complicate it a bit. What if you had been able to buy a new Ferrari for $1000? If I repo’d it on your default, after you had paid down your debt to me $900, would that be usurious? I think it could be.
But the document describes business transactions, not only individual loans out of the kindness of one’s heart. I think the exemption has more to do with what is more commonly though of as an investment rather than a loan. An example would be, you and I are going to grow some corn. You are going to provide the land and the labor, I’m going to provide the finances to purchase the seed and irrigate the land. We will split the profits 60/40. In essence, we both own a portion of the corn when it’s all said and done. We’ve both made a mutual profit, but neither of us has made a gain off the other. I don’t understand how this would apply to other kinds of “titles” such as purchasing a home or car, because the person holding the loan isn’t going ot make any profit unless they charge interest (which is usery), or the title is susequently sold at a higher value than they purchased it for and the equity is split between the two. (Which will never happen with a car and defeats the purpose of purchasing a home.)
 
To clarify, I think any interest at all (by a bank) is usurious, because the bank takes no risk. It’s not a fair transaction, in my opinion. No doubt people will disagree, and might open up another facet of this discussion, but one of the consequences from using banking credit is there is no risk on the part of the bank.
They do take the risk that the person who took the loan refuses to pay it or declares bankrupcy.
 
Taking the car isn’t usurious or taking the 5% isn’t usurious?
But the document describes business transactions, not only individual loans out of the kindness of one’s heart. I think the exemption has more to do with what is more commonly though of as an investment rather than a loan. An example would be, you and I are going to grow some corn. You are going to provide the land and the labor, I’m going to provide the finances to purchase the seed and irrigate the land. We will split the profits 60/40. In essence, we both own a portion of the corn when it’s all said and done. We’ve both made a mutual profit, but neither of us has made a gain off the other. I don’t understand how this would apply to other kinds of “titles” such as purchasing a home or car, because the person holding the loan isn’t going ot make any profit unless they charge interest (which is usery), or the title is susequently sold at a higher value than they purchased it for and the equity is split between the two. (Which will never happen with a car and defeats the purpose of purchasing a home.)
Your example is a good one. No usury involved, and the terms and conditions are fair. Most importantly, both parties are taking a risk, invested in the enterprise. Nothing wrong with that.
 
They do take the risk that the person who took the loan refuses to pay it or declares bankrupcy.
What does a bank put into the deal? Remember, they asked for permission to extend credit. When it was granted, the bank simply entered numbers on a ledger. It put none of its own assets at risk.

Now you might say that the Fed is the one taking the risk, since it is the source of the funds. But again remember, Dollars are backed by the US, not the Fed.

Third, the source of the funds are the borrower’s promise to pay. When he makes his note, the bank deposits it on the books as an asset. When the loan is funded by the bank, it enters a liability, and the books balance. So the asset comes first. That is the source of the funds.

Bank loans are really exchanges.
 
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