Bar - I like facts and evidence. if you think there were many churches outside of the Catholic church, can you name some of these churches? I’d like to understand who their bishops and priests were and what they believed on faith and morals. Where can I find their writings so that I can understand? Just name one church and one Bishop or priest in the first 400 or 500 years. Were they sitting with together with the Catholic Church when the bible was canonized? Do any of the early church fathers speak of them in their writings?
Your man made tradition prevents you from finding them in history…although they all of sudden pop up in the last few hundred years. Christ built a Church, not churches, all contradicting each other on faith and morals.
Question (1) I like facts and evidence. if you think there were many churches outside of the Catholic church, can you name some of these churches?
Answer…Acts 8: 1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judæa and Samaria, except the apostles.
2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
Acts 9: 31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judæa and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
Acts 11: 26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
27 ¶And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Acts 14: 21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,
22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
24 And after they had passed throughout Pisidia, they came to Pamphylia.
25 And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia:
Acts 15: 40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.
41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.
Acts 16: 4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.
5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
Acts 18: 22 And when he had landed at Cæsarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch.
23 And after he had spent some time there, he departed, and went over all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening all the disciples.
Romans 16: 1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
1 Corinthians 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1 Corinthians 7: 17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
1 Corinthians 16: 1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1 Corinthians 16: 19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
Collosians 4: 14 Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.
15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.
2 Timothy 4: 22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen. The second epistle unto **Timotheus, ordained the first bishop of the church of the Ephesians, **was written from Rome, when Paul was brought before Nero the second time.
Titus 3: 15 All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace be with you all. Amen.** It was written to Titus, ordained the first bishop of the church of the Cretians, from Nicopolis of Macedonia.**
We are to know the Author of the scriptures. He is well able to explain which is HIS CHURCH.
And the main character of starting these churchs was Paul…
bar.
When Christ said that he would be with his Church until the end of time, would he lead his church to accepting this most immoral error? Looking around what Church has never changed it’s position, based in part on the scripture & tradition that you speak of? An what does this say about infalliblity on faith and morals and ultimately, on the definition of “Church” that Christ himself established?