The Prodigal Son - Mercy with little Repentance?

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If I, as a human being, forgive you, also a human being, I don’t have to know anything about your frame of mind or contrition. I’m not approving what you did; I’m probably not forgetting what you did. I’m just saying, “I will not hold a grudge against you.”

If God forgives someone their sins, OTOH, He has the power to wipe those sins from existence. He won’t do it unless the person is at least a little bit contrite, which He is in a position to know. The effects of your sins remain, but you are clean of the sin.

So there are two different kinds of forgiveness, and two different kinds of contrition requirement.
Thereby to hope to have salvation, contrition before God is necessary. Grace from baptism is no guarantee since we are human and commit sin. The sacrament of confession allows us to be contrite and receive additional graces from God to help
us overcome our sinfulness.
And what of cases where we repeat our sin? If we are contrite in confession to God and receive His forgiveness, we cannot take for granted that we are saved since we are quite capable of committing the same sin again. God’s forgiveness is infinite but we
must have humility enough to turn back to God to receive His forgiveness, repeatedly if necessary and sincerely. God knows our hearts, A fake contrition may fool a fellow human bit not God.

Homilies should then give great emphasis to the sacrament of confession as well as
underling the unlimited forgiveness that God bestows on us.
 
Thanks for the kind words. I did not hear the homily you heard but in my mind when you say “But with the homily given last Sunday, saying sorry seemed to be a minor act.” a few things came to mind. Not sure if this is what the Priest was getting at but from God’s perspective our confession or saying sorry is a minor act. He doesn’t love us any more or less based on our confession.

Confession and forgiveness is a gift that God has given to us to make us better, not to make us be more loved in his eyes.

On confession, I remember a caller once ask why we need to confess to a Priest when the bible says to go directly to God. I think it was Tim Staples answered with all kinds of biblical evidence, but what he said in the end made the most sense to me. He basically said that confession to a Priest is a gift. Have you ever done something that you were ashamed of and you felt so bad you right away confessed it to God. I have, what a relief the pain goes away. But even with that confession, directly to God, my conscience wasn’t clear. It would be a week later and something reminds me of what I did and boom there is that feeling again. So confess it again and like a boomerang it is back again. Finally, I make the time see my Priest we talk it through, he advises me, he directs me and he absolves me. Wow what a feeling. The next time I hear about that sin again I look at it with a clear conscience and say, “I beat you”. When I tried doing it on my own I made it a minor act and it didn’t work. Involving the Priest turned it into a major act on my part. So with that being said, the confession or saying sorry, is and should be a big deal for the confessor but shouldn’t be an all out requirement for the forgiver.

You also brought up forgiveness. This is also a gift from God. Not so we can be forgiven, but to learn the true power of forgiveness. Have you ever had the opportunity to forgive someone who has gravely wronged you and never said they were sorry? It just eats away at you, you go over what happened over and over. You can’t sleep you can’t concentrate, you just want to know why someone would ever do that to you. Now God gives us a choice. We can let this eat away at us for years or we can forgive and put it behind us. Now forgiving doesn’t mean forgetting, it means giving it up to God and trusting that he will make the best out of the bad situation that we are in.

God Bless
And this shows the beauty of the sacrament of confession that we can receive forgiveness and graces when we are truly contrite even if we sin repeatedly and even for the same type of sin.
 
Well it’s a very believable action. Any father would probably have done what I think the father in the story did. In that time fathers had complete authority over their kids. Asking for the father’s inheritance while he was alive would be the same as asking him, “Hey, can you die so I can get your property, Dad?”
Actually I am a Father of 5 (14,17,19, 20 & 22) and I do not think this is a believable action. From my experience I see there would be only 2 courses of action. Give in to the son allow him to have the money and let him freely leave and learn the hard lesson on his own, is option 1 which is the option of the story. Or option 2 having complete authority over the kids, as you stated, not give him a penny and tell him he is not ready for the real world so either stay and be obedient until you are ready for the real world or you are on your own. The fact that the Father was loving enough to give the son his inheritance but also kicked him out the door would be contradictory to human nature in my opinion. It has to be generous and loving or not give him a penny and kick him out. As a Father I can’t see it being both. The Fatherly reason is, if you give him the money and kick him out you just gave your son a fall back. Instead of the son knowing he was wrong and not ready for the real world he can easily tell himself if my Father didn’t kick me out I would have been fine and not run out of money. The son will blame the Father and no lesson will be learned.

Just a little Fatherly advice.

God Bless
 
Actually I am a Father of 5 (14,17,19, 20 & 22) and I do not think this is a believable action. From my experience I see there would be only 2 courses of action. Give in to the son allow him to have the money and let him freely leave and learn the hard lesson on his own, is option 1 which is the option of the story. Or option 2 having complete authority over the kids, as you stated, not give him a penny and tell him he is not ready for the real world so either stay and be obedient until you are ready for the real world or you are on your own. The fact that the Father was loving enough to give the son his inheritance but also kicked him out the door would be contradictory to human nature in my opinion. It has to be generous and loving or not give him a penny and kick him out. As a Father I can’t see it being both. The Fatherly reason is, if you give him the money and kick him out you just gave your son a fall back. Instead of the son knowing he was wrong and not ready for the real world he can easily tell himself if my Father didn’t kick me out I would have been fine and not run out of money. The son will blame the Father and no lesson will be learned.

Just a little Fatherly advice.

God Bless
My point: God is a loving father and those who love you are those who chastise you. The father was both loving and just.
 
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In the homily, the father forgives as soon as the son left the house.
This still sticks in my craw.

No, the father doesn’t forgive “as soon as the son leaves the house.” He forgives when the son returns. Oh, sure, he’s capable of forgiving immediately – but that’s a different story, isn’t it?
 
This still sticks in my craw.

No, the father doesn’t forgive “as soon as the son leaves the house.” He forgives when the son returns. Oh, sure, he’s capable of forgiving immediately – but that’s a different story, isn’t it?
So in your mind God is holding a grudge until the son returns? It is my understanding that God is offering forgiveness all the time, at the very moment we have sinned he is offering it… not waiting until we come to our senses. He’s reaching out to the sinner first and foremost. He loves the sinner. Otherwise our free will to accept his forgiveness means nothing does it? He only forgives when we decide he should?
 
So in your mind God is holding a grudge until the son returns?
No, God is willing to forgive, but forgiveness comes through contrition and admission of one’s sinfulness.
Otherwise our free will to accept his forgiveness means nothing does it? He only forgives when we decide he should?
Yes, God always wishes to forgive – but if He forgives always and as soon as sin happens, then “our free will means nothing”… but not in the way you conceived of it. If we’re forgiven as soon as we sin, then “Once Saved Always Saved” Christianity has it right: once baptized, we cannot sin in a way that puts our salvation at risk. 🤷
 
Don’t forget the eldest son, who had not been wronged, was unforgiving. His unforgiveness turns into contempt and pride. And his resentment leads to his isolation and estrangement from his family.
 
The prodigal son had a repentant and contrite heart.

'And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
 
In the parable, the father is God. So God knows the heart of men. There is either a repentant heart or an unrepentant heart. No middle. The prodigal son was repentant. He turned back to the father.
 
In the parable, the father is God. So God knows the heart of men. There is either a repentant heart or an unrepentant heart. No middle. The prodigal son was repentant. He turned back to the father.
I think that this indeed is the main point that the prodigal son is contrite and repentant.
God’s love and forgiveness for us even when we sin is boundless but we muse seek His
forgiveness. Though we receive graces at our baptism, our sinfulness in the journey of life diminish those graces. Through the sacrament of confession we can once again free ourselves of our sins and know we are welcomed back to God and salvation.
This is beautifully described in the Catechism of the Catholic Church as indicated with the shortened summary below.

A simple ‘I flunked it’ before God provides scant witness to the true meaning of the joy
we can have when we are repentant. Souls are better served when homilies reflect accurately the Magisterium which if done will lead to less confusion.

God Bless and thank you one and all for your (name removed by moderator)uts, it has helped me learn much more
about our faith.

Neil

The description below is from the Vatican website.

Catechism of the Catholic Church
PART TWO
THE CELEBRATION OF THE CHRISTIAN MYSTERY
SECTION TWO
THE SEVEN SACRAMENTS OF THE CHURCH
CHAPTER TWO
THE SACRAMENTS OF HEALING

ARTICLE 4
THE SACRAMENT OF PENANCE AND RECONCILIATION
IN BRIEF

1485 “On the evening of that day, the first day of the week,” Jesus showed himself to his apostles. “He breathed on them, and said to them: 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained”’ (Jn 20:19, 22-23).

1486 The forgiveness of sins committed after Baptism is conferred by a particular sacrament called the sacrament of conversion, confession, penance, or reconciliation.

1487 The sinner wounds God’s honor and love, his own human dignity as a man called to be a son of God, and the spiritual well-being of the Church, of which each Christian ought to be a living stone.

1488 To the eyes of faith no evil is graver than sin and nothing has worse consequences for sinners themselves, for the Church, and for the whole world.

1489 To return to communion with God after having lost it through sin is a process born of the grace of God who is rich in mercy and solicitous for the salvation of men. One must ask for this precious gift for oneself and for others.

1490 The movement of return to God, called conversion and repentance, entails sorrow for and abhorrence of sins committed, and the firm purpose of sinning no more in the future. Conversion touches the past and the future and is nourished by hope in God’s mercy.

1491 The sacrament of Penance is a whole consisting in three actions of the penitent and the priest’s absolution. The penitent’s acts are repentance, confession or disclosure of sins to the priest, and the intention to make reparation and do works of reparation.

1492 Repentance (also called contrition) must be inspired by motives that arise from faith. If repentance arises from love of charity for God, it is called “perfect” contrition; if it is founded on other motives, it is called “imperfect.”

1493 One who desires to obtain reconciliation with God and with the Church, must confess to a priest all the unconfessed grave sins he remembers after having carefully examined his conscience. The confession of venial faults, without being necessary in itself, is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church.

1494 The confessor proposes the performance of certain acts of “satisfaction” or “penance” to be performed by the penitent in order to repair the harm caused by sin and to re-establish habits befitting a disciple of Christ.

1495 Only priests who have received the faculty of absolving from the authority of the Church can forgive sins in the name of Christ.

1496 The spiritual effects of the sacrament of Penance are:
  • reconciliation with God by which the penitent recovers grace;
  • reconciliation with the Church;
  • remission of the eternal punishment incurred by mortal sins;
  • remission, at least in part, of temporal punishments resulting from sin;
  • peace and serenity of conscience, and spiritual consolation;
  • an increase of spiritual strength for the Christian battle.
1497 Individual and integral confession of grave sins followed by absolution remains the only ordinary means of reconciliation with God and with the Church.

1498 Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory.
 
I recommend watching this video. In it he talks about how the parable really shows us Jesus’ view of God as this merciful Father who accepts the son back even though his contrition is not perfect. The important thing was that he came back to the Father.

youtu.be/TrPQsOJP7x0
 
I recommend watching this video. In it he talks about how the parable really shows us Jesus’ view of God as this merciful Father who accepts the son back even though his contrition is not perfect. The important thing was that he came back to the Father.

youtu.be/TrPQsOJP7x0
Thank you very much for this link. I watched with much interest.

It is reassuring to hear Fr. Spitzer say that yes God loves and forgives us completely when we turn to Him, but that Christ Himself did warn us not to decide to separate from God, that is to choose sin. There is a reckoning for sinners who wish to move away from God. But to those who continually return to Him, there is redemption and salvation.
God looks out for a contrite heart.

God Bless
Neil
 
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