The Protestant Melting-Pot

[robwar]

From what I know the Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church, never stopped in the 70’s.There are still Catholic Priest out there,especially in the Order of the Sacred Heart,I believe, that are still into the gifts.I know of One Catholic Priest on the TCC. It still in the CCC#2004 that I have,though it is an older version,unless things have changed?

My comments and reference was about Protestant Charismatics as oppose to the Catholic Charismatic movement which has stayed in the Church. The Op and some of the other posters pointed out accurately that the Charismatic movement in Protestantism has become more accepted, mainstream and I think has lead to a “melting” pot effect in and through-out Protestantism. I also think that Charismatic teaching “ministries” have also lead to this because a majority of radio and TV are from the Charismatic movement such at Pat Robertson and the 700 Club, PLT and TBN. Since these “ministries” or para-church groups reach millions and well beyond the traditional walls of denominations they have had a hugh impact and should be considered in any discussion.

 

[Patrick1540]

My comments and reference was about Protestant Charismatics as oppose to the Catholic Charismatic movement which has stayed in the Church. The Op and some of the other posters pointed out accurately that the Charismatic movement in Protestantism has become more accepted, mainstream and I think has lead to a “melting” pot effect in and through-out Protestantism. I also think that Charismatic teaching “ministries” have also lead to this because a majority of radio and TV are from the Charismatic movement such at Pat Robertson and the 700 Club, PLT and TBN. Since these “ministries” or para-church groups reach millions and well beyond the traditional walls of denominations they have had a hugh impact and should be considered in any discussion.

My apologies, I misunderstood. I’m just use to, people resistance to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. You are right though about more christian Churches becoming more alike, because of TBN,TCC,ect…More and more I have seen, are moving together, and moving more toward the Teachings, that have always been in the Catholic Faith.

 

[JonNC]

You should wikipedia the Charismatic Movement. You should also look into the Ecumenical movement. Denominations are becoming little more than “traditions” or “backgrounds” and are not nearly as divisive or segregated as they have been in past decades. I Know an American Baptist who Pastors a Lutheran Seminary. The Charismatic movement, I think, is what has so greatly influenced the interacting and “cross-breeding” of Protestant denominations.

Not true. There are also Lutherans who are Charismatic. As far as Anglicans go, Anglicanism is designed to allow a broad range of theological positions. They have a heavy emphasis of reason and versatility. For particular reasons, this has led to the downfall of the Episcopal church, though this would be a long conversation of another kind.

Long story short, there are a variety of beliefs in Anglicans. Many Anglicans, however, are Charismatic and hold healing services in their churches. Look up John Wesley, who was an Anglican. The Methodist church, which is followers founded, has always been, theologically, charismatic, because John Wesley was very charismatic.

I general, theologically, Protestants are becoming closer and closer theologically, though most feel perfectly comfortable with agreeing to disagree since salvation is through faith in Christ alone by God’s grace. Though I suppose the belief and submission to Biblical authority would also be a unspoken requirement.

There is a long statement from the LCMS regarding the Charismatic Movement, which I have linked. From my own personal view, the key for the validity of speaking in tongues is the requirement that someone who hears it can understand and translate it, as was the case in scripture.
As a general rule, Lutherans believe the Church and Christians individually should seek the Spirit and His gifts from word and sacrament, as God has promised.

iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/mosynod/web/chmat-01.html

iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/mosynod/web/chmat-02.html

Jon

 

[Taurks]

The experiences of the posters seem to confirm my suspicion - that barriers inside the Protestant world are starting to break down. They’ve made a lot of change from closed communions and denominational camps. It’s interesting to watch.

 

[Taestron]

I don’t know. In some ways, I agree that in praxis many evangelical denominations/non-denominational churches are moving closer and closer together… However, I do not think that any change is effected on the level of doctrine; merely that more and more things are being transferred in the eyes of the laity as unnecessary things (adiaphora). For example, nobody in my Sunday School class would be terribly upset if I espoused the doctrine of the real presence even though the official doctrine of the Nazarene Church is pretty clear that Communion is symbolic. And even though they wouldn’t try to convince me otherwise, they would also not feel the need to join me in my belief. So I would say that the state of evangelical denominations is more of a “tossed-salad” than a “melting-pot.”

 

[Ian1968]

Does anyone know how Protestants interpret John 20:23?:

“whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted to them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.” - John 20:23 - Douay-Rheims Version

 

[ApologiaSophia]

Does anyone know how Protestants interpret John 20:23?:

“whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted to them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.” - John 20:23 - Douay-Rheims Version

bible.cc/john/20-23.htm

The Commentaries at the bottom are the reason for my posting this link. I think Wesley’s Notes is one to take particular note of.

 

[Stilldreamn]

Does anyone know how Protestants interpret John 20:23?:

“whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted to them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.” - John 20:23 - Douay-Rheims Version

from the Lutheran Divine Service:

“Upon this your confession, I, by virtue of my office as a called and ordained servant of the Word, announce the grace of God to all of you, and in the stead and by the command of our Lord Jesus Christ I forgive you all your sins, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.”

We receive this absolution (this declaration that our sins are absolved/forgiven) from the pastor as if from God Himself, just as Jesus told His apostles, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them” (John 20:23).

 

[robwar]

Does anyone know how Protestants interpret John 20:23?:

“whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted to them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.” - John 20:23 - Douay-Rheims Version

that should be another thread and any discussion that would follow.

 

[Crescentinus]

The experiences of the posters seem to confirm my suspicion - that barriers inside the Protestant world are starting to break down. They’ve made a lot of change from closed communions and denominational camps. It’s interesting to watch.

Indeed, it is.

 

[Ian1968]

How do Protestants view the many different denominations?

 

[Ian1968]

How do Protestants view the many different denominations?

I have my own understanding. But do they ever fight among themselves?

 

[ApologiaSophia]

How do Protestants view the many different denominations?

Depends on the Protestant. There have been many arguments in past years. That’s why there are so many Protestant denominations. Arguments may still happen, but its a lot less common now. At least in regards to salvation. People may argue about theological factors of less significance and distinguish between primary and secondary things. Secondary things are those things that would not endanger one’s salvation. At this day and time denominational distinctives are not as strong as they traditionally used to be.

 

[JustaServant]

I have my own understanding. But do they ever fight among themselves?

Years ago when I walked with the fundies there were three denominations they ‘knew for sure" were goin’ to Hell.

1. Catholic.
2. Orthodox.
3. “Liberal” Protestants.

 

[JonNC]

Does anyone know how Protestants interpret John 20:23?:

“whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted to them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.” - John 20:23 - Douay-Rheims Version

From a Lutheran perspective, it is the foundation of confession/Holy Absolution, practiced in private confession and corporate confession.

Jon

 

[Indifferently]

How do Protestants view the many different denominations?

One, holy, Catholick and Apostolic Church. As someone once put it, "Love God and do what you want.’ Because if you truly love God, your works will attest to it.

 

[benjammin]

One, holy, Catholick and Apostolic Church. As someone once put it, "Love God and do what you want.’ Because if you truly love God, your works will attest to it.

But aren’t protestants against a works gospel:shrug: Also if this is the case, than why do they attack catholics. Sure there are a few evangelicals I know who didn’t care I was Catholic (simply saw me as Christian), but still, i’ve never got why they think catholics don’t love god.

 

[pismopal]

Most protestants misunderstand or misinterpret what the Church position on works really is …and that goes for a lot of Catholic doctrine. Bishop Sheen said something close to…“millions of people hate the Catholic Church for what they think it is…very few hate it for what it actually is…” The pesky Book of James always seems to get in the way of a lot of non Catholic doctrine and it isn’t going away.

 

[JonNC]

But aren’t protestants against a works gospel:shrug: Also if this is the case, than why do they attack catholics.

I thought Catholics were against a works Gospel, too, as they reject Pelagianism and semi-pelagianism.

Sure there are a few evangelicals I know who didn’t care I was Catholic (simply saw me as Christian), but still, i’ve never got why they think catholics don’t love god.

I’ve seen a small few Catholics accuse protestants of this, as well. Neither is the case.

Jon

 

[GaryTaylor]

But aren’t protestants against a works gospel:shrug: Also if this is the case, than why do they attack catholics. Sure there are a few evangelicals I know who didn’t care I was Catholic (simply saw me as Christian), but still, i’ve never got why they think catholics don’t love god.

Not so much that Catholic’s don’t love God or Protestants either imho. The view differs in worship and often in misunderstanding. Also depending where in the Protestant faith such as in regards to Faith/works.