the pull out method?

[Curious_Seed]

Off top.
The Topic is “Re: the pull out method”

Morality is determine by three criteria:

Responsible parenting requires proper spacing of births.
NFP is a morally acceptable means of spacing births if just reasons exist.

From American Heritage Dictionary:
Abstinence is not a sexual practice in the above definition.

Edit: Numbers is bold are articles numbers from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

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To respond to this would be to get too far off topic.

I have expressed my thoughts on the topic well enough, and for me, it is now closed.

It is satisfying though to see that the dictionary definition you used supports my view.

Your other points, I would love to address, if you want to start another thread.

 

[Nate13]

When the Church speaks on the immorality of contraception this is the definition of contraception it is using straight from the Catechism paragraph 2370:

“every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159

It gives this definition immediately after explaining why periodic continence is a moral means of birth control when a serious reason to do so is present. Notice how it only speaks of “actions” not intentions and how it speaks about these actions surrounding the conjugal act. The “conjugal act” describes sex between a married couple at any time of the month regardless of the fertility of the couple. This is the only definition of contracepting that matters when speaking with regards to Catholic morality on the subject.

 

[chain]

I think there are 2 separate issues here.

1. The church has said that the use of artificial contraception within the marital act is grave matter.
2. Catholic wedding vows state “Will you accept children lovingly from God, and bring them up according to the law of Christ and his Church?”

It is entirely possible to violate our wedding vows and not be open to life, without using artificial birth control (or NFP for that matter). Likewise, for grave reasons, Catholics are allowed to postpone or avoid pregnancy.

Historically, in extreme cases, dispensations to the normal wedding vows has even been granted. Jokingly, the first case that comes to mind is Joseph and Mary (but I also recall at least one other pair of married, celibate, Saints)