The Purpose of Animals

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There was a time I got wound up over jokes about not eating animals. But I never heard anyone say what you did, which was much stranger than anything I’d heard a person say to a non animal eater…

But bizarrely enough I saw some video footage recently of someone some where getting ready to eat a fish that was still alive, I couldn’t make out if it was a fake, I hoped to God it is.
 
simpleas said:
There was a time I got wound up over jokes about not eating animals. But I never heard anyone say what you did, which was much stranger than anything I’d heard a person say to a non animal eater…

But bizarrely enough I saw some video footage recently of someone some where getting ready to eat a fish that was still alive, I couldn’t make out if it was a fake, I hoped to God it is.
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I must admit that it is not a pleasant sight to see a living animal get eaten. It has life in it and so its natural for us to empathize with animals. While i find it hard to agree with killing animals with a higher intelligence (apes and dolphins etc), killing an animal in general is never the same thing as killing a human. I don’t believe anything immoral is happening when we kill a fish to eat.
 
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De_Maria said:
Actually, we can eat grass. It’s a grain. Just because we can’t eat the leaves like a cow, does not mean it’s inedible. We don’t eat the leaves of most of the plants out there. For example, we don’t eat apple and pear leaves. But we do eat the fruit of these plants. In the same way, the fruit (or seed) of grass is the grain. And man has been eating grass from time immemorial. Except today, we call it wheat, oats, corn, etc.

However, the grain from grass that grows in people’s yards remains edible. Just make sure to wash off the pesticides.
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You’re talking about eating seeds, not grass. Yes, the wheat out of which we make flour is a grass. We eat the seeds. But most grasses do not grow enough seed to feed anybody, and some of them are toxic to humans, some depending on the climate (like Johnson grass) and some are always toxic (like fescue). Try to find enough seed in a field of a prairie grass, and you’ll work yourself to death and starve even so.

There are not many grasses that bear nutritious seed in sufficient quantity, and the ones that do are pretty demanding when it comes to the conditions of their growth. That’s why the world’s grasslands remain grasslands. Remember Khruschev’s ill-fated “virgin lands” project? Try to raise grain on most grasslands, and you’ll just create a “dust bowl”.

You can eat your lawn grass, but it won’t do you any good because the nutrients are encased in cellulose, which we can’t digest. Ruminants, however, can digest cellulose. That’s why we have animals like cattle, sheep and goats.
 
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You’re talking about eating seeds, not grass.
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Grass seeds. Grass seeds are part of the grass. Grass seeds are not a distinct plant. They contain every gene that the grass will contain when it is formed. Thus, when you eat grass seeds, you eat grass.
 
Shakuhachi said:
Yes, I am incredibly privileged and take none of it for granted. If I am fortunate enough that I do not have to eat animals and still maintain the best of health I am grateful as well as happy that no animal had to suffer for me.
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As Christians, we are grateful that one man did choose to suffer and die for us in order to bring back to us the gift of eternal life.

It seems to me that suffering can’t be avoided in this life. If we love another person, suffering and sacrifice will be a great part of that. No greater love does a man have than to be willing to give up his life for another.

Consider the idea of “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

I am asking this question to stimulate thought and not to denigrate you or anyone else: Are you “grateful as well as happy that no animal had to suffer” for you BECAUSE you are “grateful as well as happy” NOT to have to suffer for any other creature?

In other words is it the avoidance of all pain and suffering that is what you seek?
 
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BroIgnatius:
I name Shakuhachi George. So George, you are my slave.😉
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And I name you Roast Beef. You are mine.
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Since you are vegetarian, I suppose Roast Beef is safe from harm. Well, except for the “roast” part.

Or are you a VINO – Vegetarian In Name Only?
 
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Shakuhachi said:
Last year they had to kill 60,000 turkeys near us because of disease all the antibiotics they use could not control. Imagine 60,000 living so closely together.
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So how do you deal with 10 to 20 million humans “living so closely together?”

That would seem even more inhumane, no?
 
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I was wondering how many here feel that animals were created mainly for humans to eat.

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And with that superiority comes superior responsibility.
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And Christ, although God, gives himself – his flesh and blood – for humans to eat.

Jesus, it appears, would agree with you that with greater superiority – Godhood – comes superior responsibility, including a willingness to suffer and die for the sake of the beloved. I suppose such a God would build into creation that same sort of willingness – I.e., minimally, that animals would suffer and die for the sake of the well-being of other animals.

Some food for thought.
 
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Oh, good…

…cause I was just going to name you “Steak” (and I am not a vegetarian.) 😋
 
But some suffering can be avoided in this world, especially in the factory farms. My suffering has nothing to do with that.
 
I do not think they are usually willing to suffer.
 
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I’ve gone vegan before, but still had dairy products. I personally feel, the sooner I can eschew eating of at least flesh, the better I will feel in my heart. I love animals too much, and see too much abuse in the raising of animals for human consumption, to be 100% comfortable being involved in that scenario.
 
Father taught me animals dont go to Heaven, but Im praying to have certain pets Ive loved with me, if its His will. He is God. He can do this if He wants to.
 
I am less concerned about the future than I am the present. They all belong to God. We care for them and love them, but not as muc as God does.
 
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