The Quality of the Celebration of the Mass has Slowly Improved at my Parish

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Yes, thankyou for your comments and sources on the importance of the Ambo. The poster who said people call it the altar of the word shows how little people know about liturgy. If the Ambo was built and treated correctly, there would be no need for making up silly names to stress its importance. Most parishes around here now use the ambo only for readings, homily, and sometimes I see it for the intentions. Announcements are never done from the ambo.
 
Ok, you’re right that boiling it down to 3 mins might be tough; I will still say the vast majority of the time 5-8 will be better than 15 and over.
 
I (and many,many others) have tried with a series of pastors. No luck. Change only happens when forced by either the bishop or by reduced giving. I have witnessed both in my parish

I’ve witnessed a number of priests that appeared to be very poorly formed/equipped to be pastors, based on their performance. They were possibly good priests, but not good pastors.
 
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20 minute homily is too long, always in my opinion.
I don’t think that’s true. One visiting priest we had always preached for 20-25 minutes on Sundays. He was absolutely riveting. His Masses were packed for that reason. Before he left I asked him what his secret was? In his case he spent 15-20 hours/week on his Sunday homily. He burnt the midnight oil to produce some stellar homilies. I think he was also very talented.
 
Just a last note I’d like to add here: I too once became aggrieved by a sincere lack of attention given the liturgy in my own diocese, and I spoke to a lot of priests about it, only to be met with unhearing ears and glib explanations. It was very much more frustrating than it was worth. Then I began going to the EF in a nearby diocese and found exactly what I was looking for. Now I serve as our celebrating priest’s MC and we talk every Sunday about the liturgical, pastoral, and devotional issues affecting the parish. The only time I serve the OF is when the bishop asks my colleagues and me to serve one of his Masses because he knows our strictness with the rubrics will add greater solemnity.

I welcome changes in the celebration of the OF the place it along a more traditional trajectory, such as those the original poster mentions. However, I’m not blind to the opposition that certain clergy and more invested layfolk will raise to them, to the point that it is generally useless to raise the issue in most parishes. The tone of the conversation here is not dissimilar to that which I’ve experienced in real life. Thus, I tend to focus on my EF community and celebrations rather than on the parishes around me. And I think we’re both far happier because of it for now, though I may soon be serving daily Low Masses or private Masses for a nearby priest for whom I have respect, and he has spoken to me about my openness to serving as a catechist.

Summorum Pontificum was a huge gift to the Church, and I would strongly advise anyone whose moral and aesthetic sense is revolted by the liturgical and pastoral practice standard in most parishes to make use of its provisions and to seek out an EF community. Most dioceses contain at least one. The acrimony that those on both sides of the liturgy conflict often display has a way of poisoning our faith. A number of legitimate options now given, we all would do best to seek out those which match with our own spirituality and taste, rather than sniping at each other.
 
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For 90% of parishes optimizing for brevity is going to be the single best “optimization” one can make.
That really makes no sense…

Maybe we as the Catholic laity need to step-up and condition ourselves so that we are able to focus for an extra 10-15 minutes on some Sundays?
 
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Maybe the OP is grateful for the work of their priests over the last 20 years.
Thank you!

I created this thread as a positive thread! How I wish Masses at my parish were as they are today, 20 years ago!

My parish still has a long ways to go liturgically, but that’s not the point of this thread. It was to review the GOOD that had already been achieved!
 
The length of the mass really only matters to me on weekdays, then I want it short without seeming to be rushed. I often go to one where communion has started at 15 minutes and we are finished at 20 minutes.

Sunday masses should be about an hour IMO, but its not that important of an issue. I do prefer the Confiteor to be said at the beginning, the Nicene Creed for sure (as opposed to the Apostle’s creed), and I really like Roman Canon for the Eucharistic prayer (but seldom attend one where it is used).
 
If the point of this thread was supposed to be “good”, there was no reason for this statement, which is what has caused a lot of the consternation in this thread.
It takes a real toll however when a pastor clearly does his best to “optimize” the Mass in terms of keeping it as short as possible. Disheartening actually. Terrible
This, in no way, shape, or form, is “good”.
 
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Some angry remarks were made, and thus have been removed, long before the OP made that comment.
You cant accuse calumny since you do not know if it is true or not.
I do remember a priest in the past explaining to us what he was doing to make the Mass shorter. How do you know one priest didnt say that to his parishioners in the OP parish?
 
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I think you do imply it when you got to great lengths to detail all the (perfectly acceptable, by the way) things the pastor was doing, and say that the shortness of the liturgy was “demoralizing”. So, if he kept the length of the Liturgy the same, what could your pastor have done to make that shorter Liturgy less demoralizing for you?
 
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The poster who said people call it the altar of the word shows how little people know about liturgy.
Well, to be fair, the original poster only seemed to be exasperated at the silliness of having one candle at the altar and one at the ambo, and it is hard to withhold sympathy for that. It isn’t as if that means there was an implied objection to having kosher things such as candle-bearers present for the proclamation of the Gospel or to incensing the Book of the Gospel, such as is done even at the Vatican. (That’s why I posted as a clarification, rather than an objection.)
20 minute homily is too long, always in my opinion. For a Sunday mass, 10 minutes is the longest it should be. A deacon told me once they are told that 8 is optimal in their training.
I don’t think that’s true. One visiting priest we had always preached for 20-25 minutes on Sundays. He was absolutely riveting. His Masses were packed for that reason. Before he left I asked him what his secret was? In his case he spent 15-20 hours/week on his Sunday homily. He burnt the midnight oil to produce some stellar homilies. I think he was also very talented.
Maybe homilists should need a license to go beyond 10 minutes, lol…
Seriously, though, a “challenged” homilist (and we all have our strong suits and weak suits, so there are bound to be a few out there) should probably stick to making a main point well and quickly. We’re not in an age in which our listening skills are the greatest in the history of Mother Church, either, after all.
 
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It’s tough because those are all valid options for the Mass, so you can’t really point to any of those things as being “wrong.” But when taken together, it does sort of lend the impression that Mass is something to be rushed through as quickly as possible, which doesn’t seem to be the impression we want to leave people with.
 
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