The Queen Mother in the OT

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A lot of the reasoning for Mary’s Queenship comes from the Old Testament example of Solomon, as well as Psalm 45:9. I checked up the wording and the meaning of the Hebrew word, and it is different from the word for “queen” in Hebrew.

In Neh 2:6 and Ps 45:9 the word used is shegal, which by Strong’s (H7694) means “consort, queen, (queen-)consort”. According to Gesenius’s Lexicon it means “the king’s wife, queen”.

By the wording, the passages couldn’t possibly anticipate Mary, could they? I mean, Mary is not Jesus’ wife. How do we clear this up?
 
Mary herself is a mystery. She has been given the titles of Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son and Spouse of the Holy Spirit, therefore she IS spouse of God, one of the multiple reasons why she is called the Queen of heaven and earth. Jesus also calls her “woman” instead of “mother” in more than an occasion, curiously when they are at the wedding at Cana… yeah, there’s a very high mystery in the sign the Lord gave at this wedding. Here, Jesus and Mary attend the wedding as the perfect man and woman, and did so to restore the order and holiness of the marriage and elevate it to a Sacrament. He also calls her “woman” when he’s at the Cross, elevating her to the highest dignity; This way Jesus puts Mary at his own level (and yet some people don’t think as her as co-redeemer, but she really is!).

Mary is also image of the Church, and the Church is told to be the spouse of Christ. It’s quite interesting how if you investigate in Mariology, when talking about the Church as a person everything about her can also be said about Mary.
 
In ancient times, Kings often had more than one wife, so it was usually his Mother that was considered Queen and not his wife.

Read the book of Kings:
1 Kings 2
19 So Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah. And the king arose to meet her, bowed before her, and sat on his throne; then he had a throne set for the king’s mother, and she sat on his right. 20 Then she said, “I am making one small request of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Ask, my mother, for I will not refuse you.”
What a foreshadowing of the intercession of our Queen Mother!

Peace,
John M. Philomena
 
In ancient times, Kings often had more than one wife, so it was usually his Mother that was considered Queen and not his wife.

Read the book of Kings:

What a foreshadowing of the intercession of our Queen Mother!

Peace,
John M. Philomena
Well yes, but how do we explain why he actually does refuse her a few verses later?
 
You are talking about typology which is definitely a valid biblical tool for seeing how Old Testament people compare to New. Even St. Paul uses typology in his letters to show how OT men prefigured Jesus However, a type is simply that… a prefigurement, it never exactly matches the ante-type. For example, Adam is a type of Jesus, as was Joshua, as was Jonah. Yet Adam, Joshua, and Jonah all had faults or situations Our Lord did not have. I have never seen Mary’s queenship compared to a wife or consort. Only in the capacity of Bathsheba as Solomon’s mother. Mary’s queenship is tied to Jesus Kingship. She is “Queen Mum” as the British might say. I thought that Solomon had so many wives that it wasn’t going to work to call all of them queen-- so the title went to his mother.

Now, as to your second point. The Queen Mother was refused the request even though the King had said “Make your request and I will not refuse you” (1 Kings 2:20). However, the reason that the request was refused was because of insincere intentions-- not on the part of the Queen but of Adonijah. Remember, Adonijah, an elder brother of Solomon, had already tried to gain the throne for himself (1 Kings 1) and now was attempting a union which would again threaten Solomon’s sovereignty. Solomon, enraged by this second attempt to usurp the throne had enough. So, Adonijah is executed for what we would call treason. I think this is a very important lesson for us all— do not approach the Lord with insincere intention. However, I must note that I think that Mary, in her present position, would see right through insincere intentions. There is nothing scriptural that would suggest that Bathsheba knew what Adonijah was trying to pull. She asked him if he had come in peace (with good intentions) and when he told her yes, I think she believed him. It is clear from 1 Kings 1 that Bathsheba wanted Solomon to be king, so I see no reason why she would willingly participate in Adonijah’s new conspiracy.

The most important point is that the Queen sat at the right hand of the King and was able to intercede in a way that others could not. That is the role that we Catholics believe that Mary has… she is an intercessor with a special privilege with her Son (also seen at Cana). Mary has an advantage where the Bethsheba did not and that is that she is fully pure and standing before God. Would she ever ask something that is against the King’s will? In my view, she would not, because she is too closely united to Him to ask for something that would 1) be against His will or 2) be something that would not be in line with our salvation.
 
Well yes, but how do we explain why he actually does refuse her a few verses later?
Remember, in the OT, all the “Types” fail in some way or another. The arch-type is the fulfillment of the OT Type. In this case, Bathsheba asked for something that is against the kings will.

Mary, however, only asks for these that are amenable to God. I’d compare it to the Wedding in Cana. Mary asks Jesus to intervene. It may not be part of His original plan, but Jesus finds it doesn’t conflict with His ministry. Hence, Vino!
 
There are other places in the Old Testament that show the queen mother in ancient Israel had real power. Jeremiah is speaking for the Lord in chapter 13:18-20, “Say to the king and to the queen mother: come down from your throne; From your heads fall your magnificent crowns.*** ***The cities of the Negeb are besieged, with no one to relieve them; All Judah is banished in universal exile. Lift up your eyes and see men coming from the north. Where is the flock entrusted to you, the sheep that were your glory?” Also in 2nd Kings, the King of Babylon is fixing to route Jerusalem. “Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, himself arrived at the city while his servants were besieging it. Then Jehoiachin, king of Judah, together with his mother, his ministers, officers, and functionaries, surrendered to the king of Babylon… (2nd Kings 24, 11-12). We know from Scriptures that groups of people were most often listed in order of importance. That’s why Peter is always listed first among the Apostles.
 

Now, as to your second point. The Queen Mother was refused the request even though the King had said “Make your request and I will not refuse you” (1 Kings 2:20). However, the reason that the request was refused was because of insincere intentions-- not on the part of the Queen but of Adonijah. …
21 She said, “Let Abishag the Shunammite be given to Adonijah your brother as his wife.” 22 King Solomon answered his mother, “And why do you ask Abishag the Shunammite for Adonijah? Ask for him the kingdom also; for he is my elder brother, and on his side are Abiathar* the priest and Joab the son of Zeruiah.” 23 Then King Solomon swore by the LORD, saying, “God do so to me and more also if this word does not cost Adonijah his life! 24 Now therefore as the LORD lives, who has established me, and placed me on the throne of David my father, and who has made me a house, as he promised, Adonijah shall be put to death this day.” 25 So King Solomon sent Benaiah the son of Jehoiada; and he struck him down, and he died.
I don’t see that he refused the request. He just ensured that Adonijah was not there when Abishag arrived. Solomon, being the wisest of men found a way to grant her request without granting Adonijah’s real request.
 
Solomon and Adonijah were the only claimaints to the throne of their father David. David had sworn that his son Solomon would be king, but in his arrogance, Adonija assumed that he would be king, and started acting like it before his father King David was even dead. .

***Adonijah, son of Haggith, boasted, “I shall be king!” and he provided himself with chariots, horses, and a retinue of fifty to go before him.*a(1 Kings 1:5)

There was a lot of intrigue and Adonijah caused divisions within the kingdom.

He consulted with Joab, son of Zeruiah, and with Abiathar the priest, and they became Adonijah’s supporters. However, Zadok the priest, Benaiah, son of Jehoiada, Nathan the prophet, Shimei and Rei, and David’s warriors did not support Adonijah. (1 Kings 1:7-8)

Eventually Adonijah declared himself to be king but David has Solomon annointed and and in fear, Adonijah grabs the horn of the altar in the tabernacle and begs for mercy. Solomon spares his life.

All the guests of Adonijah got up trembling, and went each their way, but Adonijah, in fear of Solomon, got up and went to grasp the horns of the altar. It was reported to Solomon: “Adonijah, in fear of King Solomon, is clinging to the horns of the altar and saying, ‘Let King Solomon first swear that he will not kill me, his servant, with the sword.’” Solomon answered, “If he proves worthy, not a hair of his shall fall to the ground. But if evil is found in him, he shall die.” (1 Kings 1:49-52)

That’s the background to Adonijah’s request for Abishag the Shumanite as a wife.

Abishag the Shumanite was chosen because of her beauty and vigor to be a bed compantion to King David, to keep him warm in his old age, and served as a housekeeper. She can best be described as a nurse, bathing the king, feeding him and providing him with the dignity befitting a king up to the moment of the king’s death. Abishag eventually became a concubine, the property of King Solomon. Abishag was present when Bathsheba and the prophet Nathan spoke to King David about Solomon becoming king, and Adonijah wanted Abishag for himself to get her out of the picture, so that he could claim that King David never said that Solomon would be king. Abishag was a witness to King David’s royal decree that Solomon should be king, and he didn’t want her around. Adonijah still wanted the throne.

As the queen-mother, Bathsheba had total control of the royal household including all the women in the royal court. Bathsheba knows what Adonijah is trying to do and so she very quickly agrees to ask Solomon to give Abishag the Shunammite to Adonijah. She agrees so quickly because she knows what Solomon’s answer is going to be.

Remember when Adonijah was clinging to the horns of the altar begging for mercy? Remember what Solomon said when he granted his half-brother Adonijah mercy?

***Solomon answered, “If he proves worthy, not a hair of his shall fall to the ground. But if evil is found in him, he shall die.” *(1 Kings 1:52)

Bathsheba knows what Adonijah is trying to do, and knows what Solomon’s answer will be, and so she says, “Sure! I"ll ask King Solomon for you. No problem!!!” Bathsheba is more than happy to ask King Solomon for Abishag on behalf of Adonijah, because she already knows that her son, King Solomon, will put Adonijah to death.

***And King Solomon swore by the LORD: “May God do thus to me and more, if Adonijah has not spoken this word at the cost of his life. And now, as the Lord lives, who has established me and set me on the throne of David my father and made for me a house as he promised, this day shall Adonijah be put to death.” Then King Solomon sent Benaiah, son of Jehoiada, who struck him dead. *(1 Kings 2:24:25)

Bathsheba knew that Solomon would put Adonijah to death because Solomon had already sworn to do so if he was found to be evil, and they both knew what Adonijah was up to.

This brings to my mind the wisdom of James.

*Where do the wars and where do the conflicts among you come from? Is it not from your passions that make war within your members? You covet but do not possess. You kill and envy but you cannot obtain; you fight and wage war. You do not possess because you do not ask. You ask but do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. Adulterers! Do you not know that to be a lover of the world means enmity with God? Therefore, whoever wants to be a lover of the world makes himself an enemy of God. (James 4:1-4) *

All through the Bible, God chooses the people who quietly go about their business. David was tending sheep while his brothers were in the tent tyring to become king. Jacob was in the tent, obedient to his mother while his brother Esau was running around hunting, never at home, and Jacob got the blessing. Joseph was the youngest but became the Lord over Pharoah’s house. Peter, Andrew, James and John were tending to their business when they are called by Jesus.

Instead of being obedient his Father King David and tending to his own business, Adonijah was arrogant and ambitious. Those never do well in the Bible.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH, you give a different view on Bathsheba. I am used to hearing her rated as somewhat of a simpleton, who didn’t realize the problems she was going to create by taking a bath under the king’s window. If one takes your view, it comes out as a deliberately staged seduction of the king. I think that may fit the facts better.

Note the explanatory note in this passage
4 So David sent messengers, and took her; and she came to him, and he lay with her. (Now she was purifying herself from her uncleanness.) Then she returned to her house. 5 And the woman conceived; and she sent and told David, “I am with child.”
2 Samuel 11:4-5
It appears that the writer was aware that this would be her fertile time of month. It seems likely that she was also aware of this and wanted to bear the king’s child.

Matthew list four women in Jesus genealogy, all somewhat disreputable: Tamar, who seduced her father-in-law, Rahab, a harlot, Ruth, an Ammonite, and the wife of Uriah. He avoids using Bathsheba 's name. Did he have this interpretation of her actions and consider her even more disreputable than the others?

Just my speculation.
 
I don’t see that he refused the request. He just ensured that Adonijah was not there when Abishag arrived. Solomon, being the wisest of men found a way to grant her request without granting Adonijah’s real request.
I suppose that is one way to look at it. In my view, if the request had been granted, the two would have been married. Does the Scripture show where the bride, Abishag, arrived for the marriage? I didn’t see it, but could have missed it…

Perhaps it would be better to say that the king “ignored” the request rather than refused or fulfilled it. That might be more accurate as he does seem to go off on a rant the second the request is made. At any rate, I don’t feel it diminishes the role of Bathsheba as an intercessor and her position of honor in the king’s court.
 
A lot of the reasoning for Mary’s Queenship comes from the Old Testament example of Solomon, as well as Psalm 45:9. I checked up the wording and the meaning of the Hebrew word, and it is different from the word for “queen” in Hebrew.

In Neh 2:6 and Ps 45:9 the word used is shegal, which by Strong’s (H7694) means “consort, queen, (queen-)consort”. According to Gesenius’s Lexicon it means “the king’s wife, queen”.

By the wording, the passages couldn’t possibly anticipate Mary, could they? I mean, Mary is not Jesus’ wife. How do we clear this up?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=391143&highlight=queen

See post #3
 
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