The Qu'ran has NO historical or literary influences?

[MartinJordan]

The one’s referring to false prophets or those against the Children of God come to mind for some reason

If the Bible was about Mohammed, why is the Church still using it?

MJ

 

[arthra]

Kathleen Gee wrote above:

“Islam expands through warfare.”

There is a text online that may interest you entitled “The Preaching of Islam”.

It can be downloaded :

archive.org/details/preachingislama00arnogoog

 

[hasantas]

are you joking or being serious? This argument is comical

I know people that are perfectly healthy that become ill listening to the same thing.

lol, you can use any propaganda you want, it won’t convince anyone but yourself

That is not propaganda but the fact. Qur’an has very powerful influence especially in moraly. Memorising whole Qur’an is one miraculous attribution of it.

Some words has an affect on the soul which everybody knows and Qur’an sustain morality especially in faith. All these can be proved by experience.

 

[hasantas]

Christianity is to live out compassion for all in humble service. This is the means many times people convert.

In contrast, Islam expands through warfare.

Two contrary modes and killing and wiping out peoples, and enforcing dhimmitude does indeed decrease Christian populations, with no mercy.

Asia minor, Anatolia, was the center of Eastern Christian orthodoxy. It two generations of dimmitude where Christians were second class and now poor, finally submitted to Islam simply to live.

Islam began in the desert. It went into countries where people had a different livelihood and resources, and Islam absorbed them. But without these conquests, Islam would be still in the desert.

Sunni Shi ites have been fighting since practically the beginning and no resolution. Now both want to destroy each other.

You are not facing the reality of the consistency of faith and morality going back to the ancient Jews. Your manner of interpretation of Sacred Scriptures comes out not at all as we understand, which is dangerous and causes alot of problems.

The bible and Christian practices were obviously added to the Quoran, but same problem, twisting events around to fit the geographic condition.

If Muslims would see the beliefs of Christianity on its own, as we are meant to understand them, then this world would be better.

But to say that Islam is more powerful, it is only because of the manner Islam spreads and likewise misrepresents our faith.

I see today on youtube 152 Orthodox churches destroyed by Albanian Muslims. I see today Muslims marching preparing for conflict next to a Catholic cathedral in Italy. The staged sex abuse throughout Europe. This is only the beginning. It is evil. That is not power but from the devil.

Will Muslims go Hell? You are so unhappy as if someone will go Hell if he/she is or become Muslim!

If Qur’an does not say desist of Trinity and it will be better to say but one God then Muslims would leave Christians alone. But it is duty of Muslims to warn Christians that God is one and believing in more than one god(polytheism) is Shirk which is paganism or at least looks like it. Or Church cannot forgive anybody for sins.

Since these divisive issues are not emerged and sourced from Bible then Muslims and Christians could/should discuss. So it should not be recognised an attack to Christians but perhaps it can be regard as a help for Christians.

 

[hasantas]

The one’s referring to false prophets or those against the Children of God come to mind for some reason

There are no only two verses. I know that Husaiyn Jisri find 114 verses in Torah and Bible which point prophet Muhammad in his book.

 

[hasantas]

Hasantas you bring up the argument that the quantity is utterly unique and nothing can compare to it. How do you determine this with any objectivity? Is there an objective way one can craft a work so as to make such a work perfect and if there is such a way what is it? What are the rules that the Quran adheres to and others cannot?

What makes the language of the Quran objectively better than the letters of Saint Paul, the orations of St Gregory, the homilies of Saint John Chrysostom, the works of Shakespeare or Doestoyvesky?

On a subjective level I can understand why, perhaps judging the Quran according the content of its teachings, I might even admit generally the Quran is Beautiful (though I do not know that to be the case), but to demonstrate that it is so perfect that none other than the Divine had a hand in it seems an impossible task.

Qur’an is most high by contents. How many sciences can be pointed by Torah and Bible? Qur’an points many sciences and art. And non science conflict with Qur’an. Qur’an talk about galaxies, stars and their orbits, planets, night and day, sun and moon and their acts, cloud, winds and rains, animals and plants, cell and atom etc …

By the time Qur’an become youthful but not old. Some topics which Qur’an points can be understand by scientific development. A book about any science or art can be poorly or useless by a short time by Qur’an become more powerful and youth after centuries. The samples will go long.

Qur’an made prophesies which happened exactly proper according to Qur’an. There are many instances.

Qur’an is very high about attributions of God. Qur’an teach every attribution of God very annonated.

And the most importand rich diversity of Qur’an’s contents are about religious issues. Qur’an has very powerful affect of morality and faith. By education of Qur’an millions of moraly high people(Avliyas, Asfiyas … ) could see Heavens, angels, Hell, some prophesies through moral discover. To understand that someone should know about Islam and it’s morality for instance Sufism or Tasavvuf.

There are more evidences which support that Qur’an is most high and miraculous and every issue take so lond to handle. All issues can be discussed very objectively.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Qur’an is most high by contents. How many sciences can be pointed by Torah and Bible? Qur’an points many sciences and art. And non science conflict with Qur’an. Qur’an talk about galaxies, stars and their orbits, planets, night and day, sun and moon and their acts, cloud, winds and rains, animals and plants, cell and atom etc …

By the time Qur’an become youthful but not old. Some topics which Qur’an points can be understand by scientific development. A book about any science or art can be poorly or useless by a short time by Qur’an become more powerful and youth after centuries. The samples will go long.

Qur’an made prophesies which happened exactly proper according to Qur’an. There are many instances.

Qur’an is very high about attributions of God. Qur’an teach every attribution of God very annonated.

And the most importand rich diversity of Qur’an’s contents are about religious issues. Qur’an has very powerful affect of morality and faith. By education of Qur’an millions of moraly high people(Avliyas, Asfiyas … ) could see Heavens, angels, Hell, some prophesies through moral discover. To understand that someone should know about Islam and it’s morality for instance Sufism or Tasavvuf.

There are more evidences which support that Qur’an is most high and miraculous and every issue take so lond to handle. All issues can be discussed very objectively.

I am not concerned with the supposed science but the idea that the very words, the language and construction of how the Quran uses Arabic proves it’s inspiration. Do you subscribe to this islamic idea?

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Some of you are teetering on the edge here. Please follow the rules for inter-religious discussion. Debate and disagree with charity toward the other person’s beliefs.

 

[hasantas]

I am not concerned with the supposed science but the idea that the very words, the language and construction of how the Quran uses Arabic proves it’s inspiration. Do you subscribe to this islamic idea?

Arabic words and the alphabet have spesific features just like abjat, singularity-plurality, clarity-ambiguity, male-female, clarion-deep voice etc. In Qur’an these features are exist in a level which a human cannot design. There are many samples which merely can be explained with Arabic alphabets.

Words of Qur’an are in a miraculous condensation yet it can be written another book from every word. The thousands different interpretations of Qur’an prove that. Everybody can interpret Qur’an according to his time or understanding. Every human in different centuries and places can understand distinct meaning in Qur’an yet the words are same. Nobody can write such thing which include all times, all places, all understanding levels but except Allah.

It is not importand how Muhammad was clever but there are limits for human mind and Qur’an is beyond of that limits which I cannot explain exactly because of poor English. We(Qur’an, Muslims) regard Torah and Bible too and scriptions have many facts and beauties. To see the case of Qur’an some should view it without any prejudice otherwise a mountain look like as small as a stone from the remoteness. Christians survey Qur’an to see faults but if they look at Qur’an to see facts then they will see many.

Salam!

 

[TonyBS]

To see the case of Qur’an some should view it without any prejudice otherwise a mountain look like as small as a stone from the remoteness. Christians survey Qur’an to see faults but if they look at Qur’an to see facts then they will see many.Salam!

This is the very truth

Regards Tony