The quran

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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… Quran command moslems to kill the Christian

lol , there are thousands verses in Bible on war & killing . Quran does not say to kill each non-Muslims . Don’t spread lies & hatred please.

{And fight in God’s cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression-for, verily, God does not love aggressors.} (Al-Baqarah 2:190)

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Is Islam Anti-Semitic?

Jasser Auda:…There are two kinds of ‘Children of Israel’, and ‘People of the Book’ (i.e. the Torah and the Gospels) in general. The first kind of them are the Prophets (peace be upon them) and the true followers of the message of God, and those are blessed and successful.

The second kind are those who are from ‘the Children of Israel’ in terms of lineage or affiliation, but they are practically disbelievers; they rejected the truth, they killed their prophets, they concealed the scripts or altered them, and so forth.

Here are some examples from the verses of the Quran to make this point clear:

Regarding the first type of ‘the Children of Israel’:

{Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.} (Al-Baqarah 2:62)

{ [But] they are not all alike: among the People of the Book there are upright people, who recite God’s messages throughout the night, and prostrate themselves [before Him]. They believe in God and the Last Day, and enjoin the doing of what is right and forbid the doing of what is wrong, and vie with one another in doing good works: and these are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, they shall never be denied the reward thereof: for, God has full knowledge of those who are conscious of Him. [But,] behold, as for those who are bent on denying the truth - neither their worldly possessions nor their children will in the least avail them against God…}* (Aal `Imran 3:113-116)

Now, regarding the second type:{And so, [We punished them] for the breaking of their pledge (with God), and their refusal to acknowledge God’s messages, and their slaying of prophets against all right, and their boast …}* (An-Nisaa’ 4:155)

…the issue is not about race at all. It is about faith and behavior.

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[Dhugz]

Actually i read some passages of Quran. . . Yes! I said that, muslims Should Kill christians who are against the teachings of allah! And you know what that i read also that, True Christians is the Follower of Mohammad! Try to find Christians around the world who are the follower of Mohammad! Its non sense sentence from Quran!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

muslims Should Kill christians !

Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them.

For Allah loves those who are just.

Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9)

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Does Islam Forbid Befriending Non-Muslims?

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[chrisse]

Muslim Woman says:

lol , there are thousands verses in Bible on war & killing

Muslim Woman, like most of her islamic associates, attach themselves to the Old Testament in order to defend Islam, and always to criticise Christianity. They do so without any understanding of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

Also, to an adherent of the islamic doctrine, human social, intellectual and cultural evolution was at its peak 5000 years ago (yes, I’m fully aware it was created by a man called mohammet in the 7th Century AC, but it is firmly based on the ancient behaviour).

MW, maybe you should warn the specified ancient tribal enemies of Israel the Christians are coming

 

[Dhugz]

According to archeologist, and others who studied the authenticity of the BIBLE and Quran. Bible is Accurate and consistent, and it is Authentic. While Quran, is more of inconsistency, inaccurate Facts. There’s no truth that Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, and the Place of Mecca is a Market in early times accdng to Moslems. Because Mecca dont have water. Accdng to my Research, maybe Mecca is in Jerusalem. . .

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Accdng to my Research, maybe Mecca is in Jerusalem. . .

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[planten]

According to archeologist, and others who studied the authenticity of the BIBLE and Quran. Bible is Accurate and consistent, and it is Authentic. While Quran, is more of inconsistency, inaccurate Facts. There’s no truth that Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, and the Place of Mecca is a Market in early times accdng to Moslems. Because Mecca dont have water. Accdng to my Research, maybe Mecca is in Jerusalem. . .

**Dhugz, I have read a book “Bible, Science and Quran” written by a French Christian scholar. He gave many real examples and proved that in Quran everything is true and Scientific. He also wrote that there is NOTHING scientific in the bible. He explained many verses of the Quran that even the Muslims do not understand. May Allah bless him.

I tell you, Quran is the word of God. Science is the work of God. There is no difference in the work of God and word of God. At present, the word of God is only in the Quran. The other faith people who had the word of God have all lost it, like the christians. They had the words of God through Jesus and Holy Ghost. But they lost it now.

Every good thing and the universal truth is now to be found in the Quran. Any one can check it. All the good things of the Torah and the Bible are included in the Quran. I read the bibleNT yesterday, Mathew chapter 4 onward. Jesus is seen to be teaching and preaching exactly those things which are found in Quran and Hadith. No difference.

Yet we do not blame or stop the christians who want to follow an old book. But it is always wise to read the latest edition, i.e. the Quran. i.e. the Last, complete, everlasting Testament for the whole mankind.**

 

[humble_in_doubt]

Dhugz, I have read a book “Bible, Science and Quran” written by a French Christian scholar. He gave many real examples and porved that in Quran everything is true and Scientific. He also wrote that there is NOTHING scientific in the bible.

he must have been the guy who invented meth

 

[planten]

he must have been the guy who invented meth

** Dear humble, Sorry I do not know much about that guy or his other works. But he seemed to be a very capable person. His name is Maurice Bucaille. You can research on that person of world fame.**

 

[planten]

Originally Posted by Dhugz
According to archeologist, and others who studied the authenticity of the BIBLE and Quran. Bible is Accurate and consistent, and it is Authentic. While Quran, is more of inconsistency, inaccurate Facts. There’s no truth that Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, and the Place of Mecca is a Market in early times accdng to Moslems. Because Mecca dont have water. Accdng to my Research, maybe Mecca is in Jerusalem

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**There is a verse (forecast) in the Quran chapter 61, verse 8, as follows: It is true even today.

:They (the fanatic warmonger disbelievers) wish to put out the light of Allah by the winds (breath) of their mouth. But Allah (by His oath) will accomplish (make complete) His light, however the war monger fanatic disbelievers (Kaafirs) may feel averse (may dislike it). (Al-Quran 61:8**)

 

[Dhugz]

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**There is a verse (forecast) in the Quran chapter 61, verse 8, as follows: It is true even today.

:They (the fanatic warmonger disbelievers) wish to put out the light of Allah by the winds (breath) of their mouth. But Allah (by His oath) will accomplish (make complete) His light, however the war monger fanatic disbelievers (Kaafirs) may feel averse (may dislike it). (Al-Quran 61:8**)

hello! Read your Quran! Word by word, verse by verse. I Observed that Quran tried to imitate the Bible, but not! You may agree with me that the Bible Came first before the Quran! I Read the Quran, and I was Shocked when I Read its description to TRINITY of Christians! Hahahaha. . . Your prophets and your Quran is VERY MUCH incorrect! It Defines Trinity as the God the Father, God the Son, and Mary! Hahahaha. . . See, your Quran and the False Prophets of moslems are MORON and IDIOT! To correct your very Moron Prophets and Quran, the Trinity is the union or Truine of God! The FATHER, THE SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT! Therefore, mohammad and the Prophets, or the author of Quran are Moron, since the basis of their doctrines is Fallacy, unauthentic! Quran therefore is just a LEGEND without Facts!

 

[Sayf_Udeen]

hello! Read your Quran! Word by word, verse by verse. I Observed that Quran tried to imitate the Bible, but not!

I’,m sorry to have to ask a question that begs an educated answer, but how?
The Qur’an is truth, and may contain the truth that the Bible shares with it, but it avoids the falsehood.
The Bible is not in a chronological order, nor is it a collection of stories. Further to this Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the actual book from God, not written by man and inspired by God as Catholics say the Bible was [therefore an admittance to fallibility]. And it is a guide to mankind. Furthermore it is addressed to mankind. “O mankind” is repeated several times.

So tell me. How have you observed this?

You may agree with me that the Bible Came first before the Quran!

In text as we know them today. Perhaps. [By 300 years, as History shows the Bible wasn’t written until around 300 years after ‘fact’ when it comes the cruciFICTION.]
Though if we want to say as they exist today [no edits, no changes, no nothing] the Qur’an is older.
Also if we wish to say in message. The Qur’an is also older.

I Read the Quran, and I was Shocked when I Read its description to TRINITY of Christians! Hahahaha

I’m actually pretty shocked by the Christian perception of the trinity myself [which is what the Qur’an describes it of].

1 + 1 + 1 = 1?
Not by any mathematical laws I know.

It Defines Trinity as the God the Father, God the Son, and Mary!

Could you provide a reference? Or would you prefer just post empty claims?
As a Muslim I surely have never come across that in my studies of Al-Qur’an.

See, your Quran and the False Prophets of moslems are MORON and IDIOT!

Very mature back up to an already baseless claim.
You’re doing well. [/sarcasm]

To correct your very Moron Prophets and Quran, the Trinity is the union or Truine of God! The FATHER, THE SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT!

As the Qur’an says.
No need for correction.

I think I should correct something though.

1 + 1 + 1 =/= 1
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
1 = 1

Therefore, mohammad and the Prophets

Besides Mohammad [saws] Catholicism and Islam believe in all the same Prophets. Watch where you tread from this quote…

or the author of Quran are Moron

You just called you own Prophets morons? AstaghfiruAllah.

Now for the quote in full…

Therefore, mohammad and the Prophets, or the author of Quran are Moron, since the basis of their doctrines is Fallacy, unauthentic!

Really? Could I see some evidence for your claim?
Or will this be like the rest of them?

Quran therefore is just a LEGEND without Facts!

They Qur’an certainly isn’t. Alhamdulillah.
Your post surely is though.

Peace.
Sayf Udeen.

 

[Sayf_Udeen]

Kind of wondering what Catholics here think of this, by the way:

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[Dhugz]

Sayf uden. Let your Quran speaks to its Fallacy. . In Sura of Quran, described the Trinity Doctrine as composed of the Father, the Son and Virgin Mary. It is False! False False! The knowledge of your Quran is not Sufficient to the Church he is attacking! The true Trinity doctrine, the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit. Virgin Mary is not GOD BUT WE venerate Her. Ok! Therefore your Quran speaks to itself from Al-baqara(the cow) 13, 42, “and when it said to them:Believe as the People Believe they say:shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are fools, but they do not kno”“and do not mix up the truth with falsehood nor hide the Truth while you know” the FalseHOOD, falsehood knowledge about the True description of Holy TRINITY IS came from Quran. And Quran speaks to itself as Fool! Take note i am not the one who speak that your quran is Fool, your Quran speaks to itself! And if you are talking and or attacking the Credibility of the Bible, i do understand since you believe in a Fool Quran then your mind is close for the Truth. You are very welcome to read our Bible so that you will judge and examine the Authencity of it. Honestly, i am a reader also of Quran. Therefore try to be a Reader also of The Holy Bible, so that you can Compare the two. Be one of the moslems who converted to Catholic Church, i know that there is a great persecution in moslem world to those who want to embrace the Light and Truth of Christianity. Dont be afraid, do it for your salvation of your Soul, dont think about your Salvation from the hand of Islamic Law here in the world! In The name of our Lord Jesus Christ, i am hoping that you sayf-uyden, will see the Light and true Kingdom of God!

 

[Sayf_Udeen]

In Sura of Quran, described the Trinity Doctrine as composed of the Father, the Son and Virgin Mary. It is False! False False!

Umm. No it doesn’t. I’d be interested to know what translation/source your information has come from. Cause it’s clearly not reliable.

The knowledge of your Quran is not Sufficient to the Church he is attacking!

The knowledge of our Qur’an [as it is valid for all of mankind] is most definitely sufficient. The Qur’an is here and protected to dispell myths that came 300 years after Jesus [as] walked the Earth.

The true Trinity doctrine, the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit.

The Christians believe this is the Trinity, yes.
The Qur’an also points out how this is flawed.

Virgin Mary is not GOD BUT WE venerate Her.

No one has ever said she is. The closest I can think of is in the Hail Mary when Catholics claim she is the “Mother of God”?

Ok! Therefore your Quran speaks to itself from Al-baqara(the cow) 13, 42, “and when it said to them:Believe as the People Believe they say:shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are fools, but they do not kno”“and do not mix up the truth with falsehood nor hide the Truth while you know” the FalseHOOD, falsehood knowledge about the True description of Holy TRINITY IS came from Quran.

This ayah doesn’t claim that Maryam [as] is part of the trinity.
And it calls the trinity falsehood.
What’s so invalid about this?

And Quran speaks to itself as Fool! Take note i am not the one who speak that your quran is Fool, your Quran speaks to itself!

Actually no, it is you, if you’d kindly re-read the posts…

And if you are talking and or attacking the Credibility of the Bible, i do understand since you believe in a Fool Quran then your mind is close for the Truth.

This is not constructive at all. Just you rambling and not giving evidence for claims.

You are very welcome to read our Bible so that you will judge and examine the Authencity of it.

I grew up reading it.
I’m an ex-Catholic, now Muslim.
So yes. I’ve read, judged, examined and studied.

Honestly, i am a reader also of Quran.

I’m sorry to say it doesn’t show.

Therefore try to be a Reader also of The Holy Bible, so that you can Compare the two.

Again. I grew up reading the Bible, I’ve read it several times.

Be one of the moslems who converted to Catholic Church, i know that there is a great persecution in moslem world to those who want to embrace the Light and Truth of Christianity.

Actually, I’m already a Catholic who converted to the Muslim ummah.

Dont be afraid, do it for your salvation of your Soul, dont think about your Salvation from the hand of Islamic Law here in the world!

I came to Islam on my own accord. And am still a Muslim on my own accord.
Please don’t make promises about my soul, as you don’t know and nor do I if Allah [swt] will see me fit for Jannah.

In The name of our Lord Jesus Christ, i am hoping that you sayf-uyden, will see the Light and true Kingdom of God!

Alhamdulillah.
I have.
That’s why I’m Muslim and no longer Catholic.

 

[Sayf_Udeen]

Also, a request for a Catholic.
Provide ONE verse of the Bible that clearly states that Jesus [as] was God.

I think you’ll have some trouble.

In fact, the Bible makes it quite clear Jesus [as] was human and not divine. [Also both cannot exist within the confines of one being. Fallibility cancels out infallibility under *any instance.]

God was all knowing, Jesus [as] was not:
“No one knows, however, when that day or hour [of judgement] will come - neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son; only the Father” [Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32]
God is all knowing, Jesus with his own admission did not know when the day of judgement would come.

God was all powerful, Jesus [as] was not:
“So Jesus answered them, “I am telling you the truth; the Son can do nothing on his own; he does only what he sees his Father doing. What the Father does, the Son also does.”” [John 5:19]
“I can do nothing on my own authority; I judge only as God tells me, so my judgement is right, because I am not trying to do what I want, but only what he who sent me wants” [John 5:30]
Here Jesus [as] admits he can do nothing on his own authority. God is all powerful.

God does not have a God, Jesus [as] did:
Jesus acknowledged there is one whom he and all of mankind worshiped.
“I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God.” [John 20:17]
“At about three o’clock Jesus cried out with a loud shout “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means “My God, my God! Why did you abandon me?”” [Matthew 27:46]¹
“Father: May your holy name be honoured; may your kingdom come. Give us day by day the food we need. Forgive us our sins, for we forgive everyone who does us wrong. And do not bring us to hard testing.” [Luke 11:2-4]²

¹ If Jesus [as] was God why can’t this read “Myself, myself! Why have you forsaken me?”
² Was he praying to himself?
Jesus admitting through his own actions and words, worshiped, acknowledged and prayed to another being as God.

Jesus [as] was flesh and blood:
Thousands saw Jesus [as] and heard his voice, but Jesus [as] himself said that this cannot be done with God.
“No one has ever seen God” [John 1:18]
“And the Father, who has sent me, also testifies on my behalf. You have never seen his face or heard his voice” [John 5:37]
“God is a spirit, and inly by the power of his Spirit can people worship him as he really is” [John 4:24]

Jesus [as] on more than one occasion say that people have never seen God’s face nor heard his voice, yet the were facing him directly.

Will was distinct from his own:
“I am going to the Father; for he is greater than I.” [John 14:28]
““Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “No one is good except God.”” [Luke 18:19]
“Jesus said to them “If God really were your father, you would love me, because I came from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own authority, but he sent me”” [John 8:42]
“Father,” he said, “if you will, take this cup of suffering away from me. Not my will, however, but yours will be done” [Luke 22:42]
“I can do nothing on my own authority; I judge only as God tells me, so my judgement is right, because I am not trying to do what I want, but only what he who sent me wants” [John 5:30]

Jesus [as], acknowledges that he did not come to Earth on his own accord, he was directed by a greater being. Allah [swt] sent messengers, one of which being the Prophet Jesus.

 

[Dhugz]

Ok. If the quran is older than the Bible, why the Bible didnt speak about ISLAM. The Bible speaks those against the Truth and who do not believe in Christ. But your Quran have an Idea about Christians, and actually Quran Speaks about the Gospel(injil) of Christians. Therefore, Christianity or the Church of Christ is came first before the Quran and ISLAM. . . . .and why the Quran Speaks about the Prophets like Moises, etc. . .But it twisted the The Books of the Prophets?! Why Islam didnt include the Torah of Jews to Quran, since you moslems believe to the ancient prophets of ISRAEL! Or the Quran introduces other Moses, Or other Prophets of Israel from the True Prophets?!

 

[chrisse]

Also, a request for a Catholic.
Provide ONE verse of the Bible that clearly states that Jesus [as] was God.

I think you’ll have some trouble.

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No, not at all. John 8:58

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am

Of course the divine name is not one of allah’s 99 names, so you’ll have trouble understanding this.

 

[Sayf_Udeen]

Ok. If the quran is older than the Bible, why the Bible didnt speak about ISLAM.

I didn’t say the Qur’an is older than the Bible.
I said the message in the Qur’an was and the Bible is full of deviations from said message and that’s why the Qur’an as protected from scribing was necessary.
The Qur’an stays true to what Allah [swt] has decreed for all mankind, and also clears up said deviations. [Such as the concept of the trinity]

The Bible speaks those against the Truth and who do not believe in Christ.

I believe in Jesus [as]. I love Jesus [as].

But your Quran have an Idea about Christians, and actually Quran Speaks about the Gospel(injil) of Christians. Therefore, Christianity or the Church of Christ is came first before the Quran and ISLAM. . . . .

Islam [the message] has been around since Adam.
The Qur’an as revealed to the Prophet [saws] and as we read today clears up lies throughout the ages.
It’s really simple.

and why the Quran Speaks about the Prophets like Moises, etc. . .But it twisted the The Books of the Prophets?!

No, it de-twisted, if you will.
Cleared the falsehood.

Why Islam didnt include the Torah of Jews to Quran, since you moslems believe to the ancient prophets of ISRAEL! Or the Quran introduces other Moses, Or other Prophets of Israel from the True Prophets?!

I honestly can’t decipher what you’re trying to say here…

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

That’s why I’m Muslim and no longer Catholic.

woww , MashaAllah . It’s such a pleasure to meet our revert bro .

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I am so jealous of reverts . Their all sins are forgiven , sins have transferred in to rewards , as an adult they got a chance to start a new life as a totally sinless person . Oh God . sometimes I wish i become non-Muslim just to come back to Islam to enjoy these