The Quran's claim that Jesus did not die on the cross

[lerapt78]

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the marriage contract with 'Aisha while she was **six **years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was **nine **years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari 7.88

Thanks for the info

 

[IbnFiktur]

Great. Can you refer me to these writings that had so called Christians who didn’t believe in the resurrection? A little crash course maybe.

MJ

I’ll offer one specific example since fnr gave the broader context. In his early years Augustine subscribed to a sect called Manichaeism, so named after its founder, Mani. These fellows held all sorts of odd beliefs, but most relevant to us here is that they believed that Chriat was not, in fact, matter. Rather, he was some sort of spiritual illusion of matter. Therefore, he couldn’t really “die,” because nails can’t do much against pure spirit.

This was an incredibly popular sect at the time, complete with its own bishops and hierarchical organization.

 

[Publisher]

I’ll offer one specific example since fnr gave the broader context. In his early years Augustine subscribed to a sect called Manichaeism, so named after its founder, Mani. These fellows held all sorts of odd beliefs, but most relevant to us here is that they believed that Chriat was not, in fact, matter. Rather, he was some sort of spiritual illusion of matter. Therefore, he couldn’t really “die,” because nails can’t do much against pure spirit.

This was an incredibly popular sect at the time, complete with its own bishops and hierarchical organization.

The Gospel of Peter was used in some Christian groups. In the narrative of the crucifxtion, they see Jesus standing above the cross laughing…and the body of Jesus “appeard to not suffer”…for this one verse the Gospel was rejected by the proto-orthodox/catholic groups.

So it would seem not just the Manichees held a docetic view.

 

[fnr]

I’ll offer one specific example since fnr gave the broader context. In his early years Augustine subscribed to a sect called Manichaeism, so named after its founder, Mani. These fellows held all sorts of odd beliefs, but most relevant to us here is that they believed that Chriat was not, in fact, matter. Rather, he was some sort of spiritual illusion of matter. Therefore, he couldn’t really “die,” because nails can’t do much against pure spirit.

This was an incredibly popular sect at the time, complete with its own bishops and hierarchical organization.

Manichean beliefs were an outgrowth of gnosticism, a whole set of belief systems that viewed the physical world as bad and the spiritual world as good. Mani borrowed beliefs from Platonic, Christian, Zoroastrian, Buddhist, and pagan belief systems, so can’t rightly be called “Christian” any more than Islam can be.

Manichaeism so deplored physicality that it attached no meaning to a physical death of Jesus. It’s actually another model, like Islam, for how a religion spins Jesus to suit its own theology.

 

[fnr]

I really wish a Muslim would participate in this discussion!

 

[jakasaki]

I really wish a Muslim would participate in this discussion!

We hardly have any muslims on here.

Many have been banned for violating the CAF posting rules and the few which remained no longer come by.

Besides member Amoon which posted in the Ramadan thread the other day, I haven’t seen any one else around. Even Meedo or Sister Amy have stopped.

Perhaps they’ll return someday!

 

[exoflare]

We hardly have any muslims on here.

Many have been banned for violating the CAF posting rules and the few which remained no longer come by.

Besides member Amoon which posted in the Ramadan thread the other day, I haven’t seen any one else around. Even Meedo or Sister Amy have stopped.

Perhaps they’ll return someday!

Ah, the memories…

Yeah I remember that first influx of Muslim posters here way back when, I think as the result of one of the Catholics on here going on a Muslim board and inviting them. Before that, just as it is now, there was scarcely a Muslim to be found. My guess is that the remaining ones eventually gave up once they realized they weren’t making any headway in their missionary efforts.

 

[dolphinlove]

We hardly have any muslims on here.

Many have been banned for violating the CAF posting rules and the few which remained no longer come by.

Besides member Amoon which posted in the Ramadan thread the other day, I haven’t seen any one else around. Even Meedo or Sister Amy have stopped.

Perhaps they’ll return someday!

you forgot planten lol

 

[dzheremi]

Planten was banned. Banned but not forgotten.

 

[exoflare]

Planten was banned. Banned but not forgotten.

lol

While we’re on the subject of nostalgic names, there was also faith101 and hamba2han. I’m not sure what happened to faith but I’m pretty sure hammy was also banned eventually.