The Rabbis of Italy Don't Like The Pope

[JimR-OCDS]

They may be offended, but often the truth is offensive to those not wanting to listen to it.

Really?

Think about it, when a Jehovah’s Witness comes to your door to tell you, that you don’t have the truth but he does.

Do you listen, or turn him away.

Same is true for Jews who hear inflammatory offensive language coming from us. They don’t hear the truth, but rejection of them.

It shuts down any hope for bringing them the truth, through respect.

Jim

 

[Neil_Anthony]

They respect my beliefs as they ask that I respect theirs

And thats the point of their ending dialog with the Vatican. Its their taking offense to Pope Benedict’s return of the prayer for Jews to convert to the Church, which to them, is disrespectful of their beliefs.

I understand their why they are offended.

If respecting someone’s belief means that we cease to pray for their conversion, then by your definition, it would be wrong to respect others beliefs. Are you saying that we should not pray for the conversion of the whole world to Christianity?

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Really?

Think about it, when a Jehovah’s Witness comes to your door to tell you, that you don’t have the truth but he does.

Do you listen, or turn him away.

I listen… I don’t find it offensive. After a while it becomes a waste of time, but not offensive.

Perhaps this is one of the personality traits that separates convervatives from liberals. I don’t feel offended when others think my beliefs are invalid. That explains a lot actually. Liberals are always getting mad when people say things are sinful.

 

[eelpis]

They respect my beliefs as they ask that I respect theirs

And thats the point of their ending dialog with the Vatican. Its their taking offense to Pope Benedict’s return of the prayer for Jews to convert to the Church, which to them, is disrespectful of their beliefs.

I understand their why they are offended.

Jim

So you think you are both right? That is so surreal. You turn God into the toth fairy. No one will respect that kind of religion.

Maybe that’s one of the reasons almost no one in the West believes anymore.

 

[Father_of_9]

I’m sure that people from all non-Catholic faith groups have prayed on numerous occasions for us to see the error of our ways and convert to their particular faith. Probably every faith group believes that they will be saved while others won’t. That’s understandable and not a reason to be offended. All we can do as Catholics is to explain our faith in a loving and charitable manner to anyone who wants to listen.

 

[Kscrawler]

But the presumption of the person praying for you, is that you are not following God and are in need of redemption, by their prayers.

Consider if Buddhist created a rite which includes praying that Catholics get over their stagnet rigid beliefs and come to true enlightenment,

Would you be offended? Be honest.

Jim

No I have met many Protestants, Mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses etc. Each of them prayed and wanted to save me from Catholicism. Each of them meant well for me. Each did what they did from good motives, why would I be offended?

 

[Freshman88]

They respect my beliefs as they ask that I respect theirs

And thats the point of their ending dialog with the Vatican. Its their taking offense to Pope Benedict’s return of the prayer for Jews to convert to the Church, which to them, is disrespectful of their beliefs.

I understand their why they are offended.

Jim

The Jews are in need of conversion too. All humans, non-Catholics included, are in need of Holy Mother Church.

Extra Ecclesium Nullam Salus.

Do we no longer fear for the salvation of souls - or would that be deemed as being too offensive. Id like to think that the Church is more concerned with souls then it is with opinion of men.

If anyone prays for my conversion then all the better. As Catholics we know objectively that the Church has the fulness of revelation, any prayer for conversion will only bring me closer to the Church irregardless of what faith they think their prayers will bring me too. Having Truth on our side, we should be fearless in seeking to convert all peoples.

 

[cathgal]

But the presumption of the person praying for you, is that you are not following God and are in need of redemption, by their prayers.

Consider if Buddhist created a rite which includes praying that Catholics get over their stagnet rigid beliefs and come to true enlightenment,

Would you be offended? Be honest.

Jim

Again, no.

Anyone can pray to God for whatever they request, but God only answer to prayers that fit His will.

If it’s God’s will that the whole world be brought into communion with His Church, then it will be done.

Any prayers not fit His will is a wasted prayer, so why be offensive.

I mean why would God leads a Catholic away from His Church, if His Church is the true Church.

The only ones who feel offensive are the ones who will be lead to the truth.

 

[RobbyS]

I agree that it does sound surreal.

It reflects the conventional wisdom that under the Muslims the Jews enjoyed more freedom. But if they look about them today they should realize that Islam today will not tolerate the existence of a Jewish state. The only way they can appease the Muslims is to abolish Israel.

 

[prodigal-sun]

But the presumption of the person praying for you, is that you are not following God and are in need of redemption, by their prayers.

Consider if Buddhist created a rite which includes praying that Catholics get over their stagnet rigid beliefs and come to true enlightenment,

Would you be offended? Be honest.

Jim

Honest, I wouldn’t be offended in the least. As a matter of fact I would see their prayer and raise it by two knowing full well that I have the better hand.

Peace!