The rainbow sash movement

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What does everyone think of the rainbow sash movement within the Catholic Church?? Do you think that this is schismatic or what they are doing is “perfectly valid” since society is moving towards the universal acceptance of homosexuality anyway thus legitimizing the integration of homosexual members within the church?

What are your thoughts? What are your opinion? Should those who identify as “chaste” homosexuals be allowed or not allowed to be given communion??

What do you feel about high ranking church officials (such as Cardinal Francis George ) actually sponsoring and enabling debate on this issue?

I dont know that much about the whole movement but I would like to use some of your points for an arguement I am contemplating and I would really like to hear both sides of the coin.
 
Lilsheep88 said:
What does everyone think of the rainbow sash movement within the Catholic Church?? Do you think that this is schismatic or what they are doing is “perfectly valid” since society is moving towards the universal acceptance of homosexuality anyway thus legitimizing the integration of homosexual members within the church?
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I don’t think it is schismatic, but I also think that most bishops are opposed to it. I know at least two bishops
(Cardinal George of Chicago and Archbishop Nienstedt of Minneapolis) have issued instructions to priests to deny communion to anyone wearing a rainbow sash.
 
Definitely not Archbishop Niederauer of California who supposively “tolerates” homosexual activism in a parish called Most Holy Redeemer in SF by inviting secular guest speakers to gives talks and things like that…

Could this be a sign that there is a division within US / North American bishops regarding the acceptance homosexuality? You know… with the US being the most liberal country in the world now thanks to Mr. Obama
Dale_M said:
I don’t think it is schismatic, but I also think that most bishops are opposed to it. I know at least two bishops
(Cardinal George of Chicago and Archbishop Nienstedt of Minneapolis) have issued instructions to priests to deny communion to anyone wearing a rainbow sash.
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Lilsheep88 said:
…Should those who identify as “chaste” homosexuals be allowed or not allowed to be given communion??
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In all practicality there is no difference between a chaste homosexual and a chaste heterosexual.
 
yellow8yellowM said:
In all practicality there is no difference between a chaste homosexual and a chaste heterosexual.
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For homosexuals, chastity precludes physical consummation. For heterosexuals, chastity includes both celibacy and chaste sexual relations within marriage. As long as we recognize what chastity means to each person in their respective situations, then your statement is correct. However, there is a tendency to conflate heterosexual chastity and homosexual chastity. A woman having sex with and being married (so called) to another woman is not chaste. That said, if a SSA person lives chastely as described above, then of course they can/should receive the Eucharist.
 
tlimon said:
For homosexuals, chastity precludes physical consummation. For heterosexuals, chastity includes both celibacy and chaste sexual relations within marriage.
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You are right. I meant to say celibate, not chaste.
 
Lilsheep88 said:
If that were the case… then why would there be a need to a wear a sash and to visibily identify as GLBT then?
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Those who wear the rainbow sash are trying to make a point and are trying to get the Church to see that their sexual acts are not sins. Their mission statement, directly from their website states, “In wearing the Rainbow Sash we proclaim that we are lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people who embrace and celebrate our sexuality as a sacred gift.”

They think they need to wear the sash to eventually change the Church’s teachings. Young people may want to wear their own sash to get the Church to allow sex before marriage. Married heterosexuals may want to wear their own sash to get the Church to allow coitus interrruptis. Women may want to wear a sash to be able to be priests. Do you see my point?

People who might wear any of these sash’s are heretics who want to be orthodox without having to be orthodox.
 
yellow8yellowM said:
Those who wear the rainbow sash are trying to make a point and are trying to get the Church to see that their sexual acts are not sins. Their mission statement, directly from their website states, “In wearing the Rainbow Sash we proclaim that we are lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people who embrace and celebrate our sexuality as a sacred gift.”

They think they need to wear the sash to eventually change the Church’s teachings. Young people may want to wear their own sash to get the Church to allow sex before marriage. Married heterosexuals may want to wear their own sash to get the Church to allow coitus interrruptis. Women may want to wear a sash to be able to be priests. Do you see my point?

People who might wear any of these sash’s are heretics who want to be orthodox without having to be orthodox.
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That’s Good!

Divide and conquer, and conform the church to the world in a nutshell.
 
Correct. The exact point I wanted to bring up.
yellow8yellowM said:
Those who wear the rainbow sash are trying to make a point and are trying to get the Church to see that their sexual acts are not sins. Their mission statement, directly from their website states, “In wearing the Rainbow Sash we proclaim that we are lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people who embrace and celebrate our sexuality as a sacred gift.”

They think they need to wear the sash to eventually change the Church’s teachings. Young people may want to wear their own sash to get the Church to allow sex before marriage. Married heterosexuals may want to wear their own sash to get the Church to allow coitus interrruptis. Women may want to wear a sash to be able to be priests. Do you see my point?

People who might wear any of these sash’s are heretics who want to be orthodox without having to be orthodox.
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