The Rapture, if it were to happen

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would Catholics concede they were wrong? I mean, lets just say one day, just like in the “Left Behind” series, a bunch of us non-Cs and perhaps even some Cs just vanished.

Would Catholics rethink their theology or if the RCC was the True Church? Just hypothetical? And lets be honest.
 
Perhaps, I’m sure many would.

If a host turned into actual flesh and blood during a Mass, would n-Cs change their theology?
 
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Lazerlike42:
Perhaps, I’m sure many would.

If a host turned into actual flesh and blood during a Mass, would n-Cs change their theology?
Gee what if Jesus taught that in the Bible would evangelicals change their religion?
Just a thought why would rapture theology be nonexistant for the body of christ for 1800 years and suddenly be discovered in american evangelicalism and pretty much not known outside these cirlces?
Seems pretty gnostic to me.
 
The short and blunt answer is no. For all we know you have all been sent to Purgatory since you are not ready to enter Heaven where everyone is Catholic. Then the Catholics that are left have the honor of experiencing the end of times and whatever God has planned on Earth and go straight to Heaven for being loyal and avoiding the Purgatory that you all were sent to. I don’t believe this at all but you stated something hypothetical so I answered it with another hypothetical answer to refute it and state how we could all stll keep our faith even in your hypothetical situation.
 
Let’s be blunt.

The RCC is not just another Christian denomination. We are either 100% RIGHT or we are soooo wrong that we are committing idolatry by literally worshipping bread and wine.

If we are wrong about the ‘Rapture’ it will be insignificant compared to that.

I am a Catholic by conviction. I believe that Bread and Wine, when consecrated by a validly ordained priest, becomes the actual Body and Blood of Christ (John 6:50-60). I am prepared to die for this belief.
 
Eileen T:
Let’s be blunt.

The RCC is not just another Christian denomination. We are either 100% RIGHT or we are soooo wrong that we are committing idolatry by literally worshipping bread and wine.

If we are wrong about the ‘Rapture’ it will be insignificant compared to that.

I am a Catholic by conviction. I believe that Bread and Wine, when consecrated by a validly ordained priest, becomes the actual Body and Blood of Christ (John 6:50-60). I am prepared to die for this belief.
Funny the earliest church matyr’s died for this beleif as well. Guess all the early church members were wrong the first thousand years.
 
Your entire hypothetical was basically

If A happened, would we concede that A happened.

Since our theology states that Rapture won’t happen, then if rapture did happen, then of course our theology would be in serious crisis.

Maintaining one is right in the face of such observable proof that one isn’t right is a fallacy in itself.

So in short, yes. But that same statement could apply to anything, even outside of religion.
 
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malachi_a_serva:
would Catholics concede they were wrong? I mean, lets just say one day, just like in the “Left Behind” series, a bunch of us non-Cs and perhaps even some Cs just vanished.

Would Catholics rethink their theology or if the RCC was the True Church? Just hypothetical? And lets be honest.
I see you quote Jack Van Impe! That’s great because he calls Catholics his “brothers and sisters in Christ.”

I’m personally a PAN MILLENIALIST–I believe it will all PAN OUT in the end just as God has planned!! There are many interpretations of how the end times will play out. MAYBE one of them will have gotten it pretty close. Only God knows the real plan. http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif
 
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malachi_a_serva:
would Catholics concede they were wrong? I mean, lets just say one day, just like in the “Left Behind” series, a ***bunch ***of us non-Cs and perhaps even some Cs just vanished…
Since those who believe in the Rapture believe that all true believers will be taken up into heaven, your message seems to be implying that well, there *might, perhaps, maybe, be some Catholics *who are true believers…:tsktsk: .
 
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malachi_a_serva:
would Catholics concede they were wrong? I mean, lets just say one day, just like in the “Left Behind” series, a bunch of us non-Cs and perhaps even some Cs just vanished.

Would Catholics rethink their theology or if the RCC was the True Church? Just hypothetical? And lets be honest.
How about you thinking hypothetically what if we are not saved by faith alone?
What if purgatory is real?
What if the catholic church is the church Christ founded and promised that the gates of hell would not prevail and that he did founded the papacy when he gave Peter the Keys to the kingdom?

THis hypothetical thing has severe ramifications for you as well my friend?
 
If the rapture happened, how would they know if we weren’t simply taken up to the mother ship?
 
Why do non-catholics believe in the rapture? It comes from a non-fiction series of books. Not in the bible. End of times, in the bible, rapture not biblical. If the rature did happen, then christianity wouldn’t have been possible. Divine relavation stopped after the death of John. If you believe that there are still true prophets go join the Morman Church or Scientoloy or something. Both idealologies are based on unbiblical beliefs… just like the rapture. Prophecy didn’t open up again for L.Ron Hubbard or the Left Behind Series to make money.

If a little man could spin straw into gold would you believe in that? Do you believe that Gena Davis and Martin Sheen were both elected to the office of President?
 
Isn’t that whole rapture nonsense based on a verse that says something about it being “like the Flood”.

But IIRC in the Flood it was the good folks who were left behind on earth and all the bad folks who were washed away.

SO if we wake up one morning and a whole bunch of non-Cs are gone…… 😉
 
Try reading David B. Currie’s book:

Rapture: The End Times Error That Leaves the Bible Behind.

It does an excellent job of clearing up the rapture B.S.

Thal59
 
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Thal59:
Try reading David B. Currie’s book:

Rapture: The End Times Error That Leaves the Bible Behind.

It does an excellent job of clearing up the rapture B.S.

Thal59
Thanks for the reference. I have a fairly lengthy commute and prefer tape or CD format for books like this. Unfortunately, End Times Error seems to be unavailable in audio. Do you know anything about Currie’s audio set, Rapture: Ruse or Reality? It’s 6 CDs, so it must be fairly comprehehsive.

I have Paul Thigpen’s The Rapture Trap. Frankly, I found it disappointing because on 5 CDs, it devotes only part of one of them to the specific scriptural points upon which the rapture teaching is based. He wanders all over end times theology, including the more dubious Catholic versions of last-days speculations and prophecies.

I would not care about the subject at all except that I have a good friend (Plymouth Brethren) who is totally convinced of this stuff, and I need to understand it for his sake. Frankly, the whole subject seems kind of silly. I have enough trouble just trying to follow Jesus every day in the ordinary course of business, let alone worrying about the second (or third) coming.
 
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Lazerlike42:
Perhaps, I’m sure many would.

If a host turned into actual flesh and blood during a Mass, would n-Cs change their theology?
Would you?
 
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mercygate:
Thanks for the reference. I have a fairly lengthy commute and prefer tape or CD format for books like this. Unfortunately, End Times Error seems to be unavailable in audio. Do you know anything about Currie’s audio set, Rapture: Ruse or Reality? It’s 6 CDs, so it must be fairly comprehehsive.

I have Paul Thigpen’s The Rapture Trap. Frankly, I found it disappointing because on 5 CDs, it devotes only part of one of them to the specific scriptural points upon which the rapture teaching is based. He wanders all over end times theology, including the more dubious Catholic versions of last-days speculations and prophecies.

I would not care about the subject at all except that I have a good friend (Plymouth Brethren) who is totally convinced of this stuff, and I need to understand it for his sake. Frankly, the whole subject seems kind of silly. I have enough trouble just trying to follow Jesus every day in the ordinary course of business, let alone worrying about the second (or third) coming.
Sorry, but I don’t know about Currie’s audio works. I understand you desire to economize, (listen to the tapes on my commute) but David’s book will give you all of the answers you need, so you may need to just find time at home that you can devote to reading his book.

Besides, anything you offer to your friend will be rejected anyway. But that doesn’t matter. Since the rapture will never happen, it does not hurt your friend to wait for it so long as this belief does not interfere with his living a practicle Christian life.

Thal59
 
Sean Boyle:
Why do non-catholics believe in the rapture? It comes from a non-fiction series of books. Not in the bible. End of times, in the bible, rapture not biblical. If the rature did happen, then christianity wouldn’t have been possible. Divine relavation stopped after the death of John. If you believe that there are still true prophets go join the Morman Church or Scientoloy or something. Both idealologies are based on unbiblical beliefs… just like the rapture. Prophecy didn’t open up again for L.Ron Hubbard or the Left Behind Series to make money.

If a little man could spin straw into gold would you believe in that? Do you believe that Gena Davis and Martin Sheen were both elected to the office of President?
Hi guys, if you will all bear with me. I have an extremely busy weekend @ work, probably 40 hrs in the next 3 days…but I would like to respond to show a few things. How the Rapture, in my opinion and how I have been taught it, is biblical…and how it was believed by the early church. I appreciate all the responses and look forward to replyinh on many of them. Until then, God Bless and Adios. 🙂
 
I used to watch Jack Van Impe back in the day. He and his wife would scour the headlines and try to associate the daily news with bible prophesy. After 9-11 his very next show was all about terrorism and how what had happened was revealed in scripture…totally lost all respect for the guy, haven’t seen a show since.
 
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malachi_a_serva:
Hi guys, if you will all bear with me. I have an extremely busy weekend @ work, probably 40 hrs in the next 3 days…but I would like to respond to show a few things. How the Rapture, in my opinion and how I have been taught it, is biblical…and how it was believed by the early church. I appreciate all the responses and look forward to replyinh on many of them. Until then, God Bless and Adios. 🙂
Sorry, but the “Rapture” was never taught by the early church and only by yanking passages out of context and twisting them can one accept it as Bible-based teaching. It is not early church teaching and you cannot find any of the ECF that wrote in support of it.

The truth is that this whole teaching was concocted by a Church of Ireland preacher just a bit over 150 years ago. You can’t even find it prior to that.

What’s the Catholic Position?

As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general, including that of the Protestant Reformers), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.

With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—“we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).

Spinning Wheels?

Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium.

A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. . . . Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8–14). LINK

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