The Rapture in Luke 17

[GeorgeSword]

The last few verses of Luke 17 speak of the last day, and it mentions that ‘there shall be two in the same bed, and one taken and the other left’. This sounds kind of like the Protestant belief in the Rapture. What is the Caholic interpetation?

 

[Luke65]

That is the “rapture” - on Judgment Day. It’s just not going to be a secret rapture before the last day - that’s what they miss…

“For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other.” (Luke 17:24)

 

[garysibio]

The last few verses of Luke 17 speak of the last day, and it mentions that ‘there shall be two in the same bed, and one taken and the other left’. This sounds kind of like the Protestant belief in the Rapture. What is the Caholic interpetation?

I just wrote a couple of articles in my blog concerning the belief in the Rapture. If you would like to read them, the links are:

bibleandworldtoday.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-rapture-just-doesnt-fly.html

and

bibleandworldtoday.blogspot.com/2009/09/rapture-2-revenge-of-proof-texts.html

 

[Jason_1977]

I haven’t seen the word rapture in the catechism of the churches teachings, but it doesnt mean the concept can’t exist… Rapture isn’t used in scripture but the events that describe it are plain. Hard to dispute. I mean, I have no issue with it. It’s not taught by the RCC, RCC is dogma, so if I kept a closed mind & turned off my brain, I’d say if the RCC doesnt teach it, it aint so. BUT I do have a brain, & I also recognize that anything run by man is susceptible to boo boos here & there. I WOULD like to say, in light of what I have just said, that I have the same problem with the concept of purgatory. IT IS a teaching, but the word you find in scripture is purged. Purgatory is the act of purging, sin…protestants dont teach this in their churches, just as the RCC doesnt teach the rapture. Both are described to the letter in scripture but the word is not used, simply a description or definition. I’ve said it before & I’ll say it again, we’re more alike than we are different. Trying to tell believers they’re wrong & they’re practcing their faith wrong is like a vegetarian telling another vegetarian he’s an idiot for not putting tomatoes on his sandwich when the one eating the sandwich doesnt like tomatoes in the first place. tangent, yes, but it’s all I got, lol.

respectfully,

Jason

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen

 

[puppypatrol]

The last few verses of Luke 17 speak of the last day, and it mentions that ‘there shall be two in the same bed, and one taken and the other left’. This sounds kind of like the Protestant belief in the Rapture. What is the Caholic interpetation?

Just to help you understand, let’s read the entire passage.

24 For just as lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be (in his day).
25 But first he must suffer greatly and be rejected by this generation.
26 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of Man;
27 they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 Similarly, as it was in the days of Lot: they were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building;
29 on the day when Lot left Sodom, fire and brimstone rained from the sky to destroy them all.
30 So it will be on the day the Son of Man is revealed.
31 On that day, a person who is on the housetop and whose belongings are in the house must not go down to get them, and likewise a person in the field must not return to what was left behind.
32 Remember the wife of Lot.
33 Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses it will save it.
34 I tell you, on that night there will be two people in one bed; one will be taken, the other left.
35 And there will be two women grinding meal together; one will be taken, the other left."
36 They said to him in reply, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the body is, there also the vultures will gather.”

As many Pentecostal and Fundalmentalists believe this refers to the “elect” will betaken up before the Tribulation. Unfortunately, they have misundersood the passages. (It doesn’t help that they have taken Matthew 24-25 with a lot of misunderstanding as well) In the story about Noah, who was taken away and who was left behind? In the story about Lot, who was taken away and who was left behind? Most importantly, when Jesus was asked “where Lord?” or where were these people taken to, what doesn Jesus say?

“Where the body is, there also the vultures will gather.”

Personally, I don’t want to be “taken” anywhere. I want to be one of the ones “left behind”

 

[cheeto1]

In the story about Noah, who was taken away and who was left behind? In the story about Lot, who was taken away and who was left behind? Most importantly, when Jesus was asked “where Lord?” or where were these people taken to, what doesn Jesus say?

I love this passage because I believe it is unanswerable and that God wants it that
way. In the story of Noah, he was taken away in the ark. Those who were left
behind were for destruction. In the story of Lot, Lot was taken out of the city, and
those left behind were for destruction.

It can also be said that those who are taken, are taken in death, and those left
behind, are left behind for life. Because when the people of Noah’s day and the
cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were wiped out, Noah and Lot were left behind, alive.

Folks, we just have to be good. And trust God whether He wants to take us, or
leave us behind…He will do what’s right either way.

 

[Jason_1977]

Yeah, this is an interesting concept that doesnt get taught too much. Rapture is more a baptist thing I suppose, I was raised Episcopalian & only been catholic since Easter of '08, and I dont remember the rapture ever being taught in both places. I’m not saying its wrong, I’m just saying the term is somewhat new to me, but the concept isn’t. I hope that makes sense.

Respectfully,

Jason

 

[Lev23]

I just wrote a couple of articles in my blog concerning the belief in the Rapture. If you would like to read them, the links are:

bibleandworldtoday.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-rapture-just-doesnt-fly.html

and

bibleandworldtoday.blogspot.com/2009/09/rapture-2-revenge-of-proof-texts.html

First off, on one of your blogs you make the claim that Darby learned of the pre-trib rapture from a Margaret MacDonald through a prophecy of hers. False, he learned of it in scriptures when he saw the ignored prophetic signifigance of Israel in the last days. To add to this, he arrived at this view before this lady had anything to say about it. And I understand her view was more post-trib than anything else.

Secondly, you point out goofy things that people did while holding to a pre-trib rapture. Well, every slice of Christianity has these things. From worshipping grill cheeses to date setting.

 

[Luke65]

I guess it needs to be pointed out that the word “rapture” actually comes from our Latin Vulgate! It’s the word “rapiemur”, translated as “caught up”…

“After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

As far as who is saved, the one left or the one taken, it seems opinion is split. But it doesn’t really matter because it’s a purely supernatural event. The important thing is this:

"At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” (Matthew 24:23-27)

 

[puppypatrol]

Yeah, this is an interesting concept that doesnt get taught too much. Rapture is more a baptist thing I suppose, I was raised Episcopalian & only been catholic since Easter of '08, and I dont remember the rapture ever being taught in both places. I’m not saying its wrong, I’m just saying the term is somewhat new to me, but the concept isn’t. I hope that makes sense.

Respectfully,

Jason

The “Rapture” as dispensationalists teach it does not exist. Neither does the tribulation as they teach it. It is simply not Biblical and was never even taught before the 1830s. Again, reading verses in context is important. Not all Protestants believe in these 2 occurances as they are commonly understood today.