The Rapture...

[tyson]

I need a short and sweet answer to “what do catholics believe about the rapture”? I understand about all the milleniums and know that we as Catholics are “amillenial” i would like to be able to answer short and sweet without having to break down the milleniums and give a brief answer…

thanks!

 

[Atemi]

I need a short and sweet answer to “what do catholics believe about the rapture”? I understand about all the milleniums and know that we as Catholics are “amillenial” i would like to be able to answer short and sweet without having to break down the milleniums and give a brief answer…

thanks!

The Catholic Church teaches that the rapture of the saints is true. The only disagreement is the when of the event, not the if.

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[Fidelis]

When each of us dies, our souls are immediately judged by God. This is called the Particular Judgment. At this point we begin our eternal destiny. If we are going to hell, our souls go directly there. If we are deemed worthy of heaven, our souls will go directly to heaven, or if we are going to heaven but are in need of purification, we may go to Purgatory first for a while (everyone in Purgatory will eventually go to heaven). Whatever our fate, our souls will stay there (heaven or hell) until the end of time, at which time the Second Coming will occur.

At the Second Coming at the end of time, those Christians still alive and who are in a state of sanctifying grace will be taken to heaven (what some Protestants think of as of the rapture). Then will occur the General Judgment. At that time the souls of the living and the dead will be reunited with their bodies and brought together in God’s presence and judged before all. Those who have already been judged in the Particular Judgment will be brought from wherever their souls were -heaven, hell or Purgatory-- and have their judgment confirmed before all, so that both the justice and mercy of God will be manifest to all.

After this, time and Purgatory will be no more and all will enter with their souls and bodies into their eternal destiny, either hell or heaven.

 

[Church_Militant]

I have just that on my blog. Here ya go!
The Rapture?

 

[thistle]

I need a short and sweet answer to “what do catholics believe about the rapture”? I understand about all the milleniums and know that we as Catholics are “amillenial” i would like to be able to answer short and sweet without having to break down the milleniums and give a brief answer…

thanks!

catholic.com/library/rapture.asp

 

[ERose]

I need a short and sweet answer to “what do catholics believe about the rapture”? I understand about all the milleniums and know that we as Catholics are “amillenial” i would like to be able to answer short and sweet without having to break down the milleniums and give a brief answer…

thanks!

As most evangelical and pentecostals believe that the “Rapture” or being raised up to Christ will occur before the end times then we do not believe in the Rapture. We believe that Christ will return at the end of days and then we will be lifted up to Him both living and dead for final judgement.

We call it the general resurrection.

This is of course how I understand it.

I do know that the evangelicals are wrong when they believe Christians will be removed from the planet earth before the period of trials and tribulations.

 

[Randy_Carson]

I need a short and sweet answer to “what do catholics believe about the rapture”? I understand about all the milleniums and know that we as Catholics are “amillenial” i would like to be able to answer short and sweet without having to break down the milleniums and give a brief answer…

thanks!

catholic.com/library/rapture.asp

 

[jamison]

I have just that on my blog. Here ya go!
The Rapture?

My good friend here has everything on his blog. I reccomend it.

 

[Randy_Carson]

The Catholic Church teaches that the rapture of the saints is true. The only disagreement is the when of the event, not the if.

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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The Church’s ultimate trial
675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, [emphasis added]577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581

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Jesus is coming a second time…but not two more times. The rapture (as it is commonly understood by most Protestants who have been “caught up” in the Left Behind hysteria) is not biblical and was completely unknown to Christianity prior to the 1830’s. It is a false “doctrine of men”.

Hope this helps. :tiphat:

 

[Atemi]

Jesus is coming a second time…but not two more times.

And the Jews insist that the Messiah would only come once.

The rapture (as it is commonly understood by most Protestants who have been “caught up” in the Left Behind hysteria) is not biblical and was completely unknown to Christianity prior to the 1830’s. It is a false “doctrine of men”.

It seems you do not know what the Rapture is.

The Rapture in NRC theology is the Resurrection of the church. If you do not believe the Resurrection of the church is biblical, that is something you may need to deal with.

1 Thess 4:16–17 “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.”

That is the Rapture. Nothing more and nothing less.

If your argument is merely about the timing of this undeniable event, then that is your business. We have the Christian liberty to have differing opinions among believers, with love of course. Praise God for that.

As Catholic Answers itself testifies:

What’s the Catholic Position?

With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—“we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).

catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp

Anyone who denies the Rapture is denying the Resurrection of the church. Not a position I would hold myself, though I know some would insist.

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[Randy_Carson]

And the Jews insist that the Messiah would only come once.

It seems you do not know what the Rapture is.

The Rapture in NRC theology is the Resurrection of the church. If you do not believe the Resurrection of the church is biblical, that is something you may need to deal with.

1 Thess 4:16–17 “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.”
That is the Rapture. Nothing more and nothing less.

If your argument is merely about the timing of this undeniable event, then that is your business. We have the Christian liberty to have differing opinions among believers, with love of course. Praise God for that.

As Catholic Answers itself testifies:

What’s the Catholic Position?

With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—“we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).

catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp
Anyone who denies the Rapture is denying the Resurrection of the church. Not a position I would hold myself, though I know some would insist.

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Atemi-

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that we will not be caught up in the air, etc., etc. What I am saying is that the idea that Christ is going to come back for believers (while everyone else is left behind) and then come for a third and final time (as LaHaye and Jenkins suggest) is incorrect.

The Rapture as it is commonly understood and taught in many Protestant circles today was completely unknown to the Christian Church prior to the early 19th century.

 

[Atemi]

Atemi-

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that we will not be caught up in the air, etc., etc.

That is the Rapture.

If you say the Rapture is not true, then you are necessarily saying that you are rejecting the Resurrection of the Church as described in 1 Thess.

What I am saying is that the idea that Christ is going to come back for believers (while everyone else is left behind) and then come for a third and final time (as LaHaye and Jenkins suggest) is incorrect.

Then you disagree with the timing of the Rapture, not the event itself. This is what I said earlier.

The Rapture as it is commonly understood and taught in many Protestant circles today was completely unknown to the Christian Church prior to the early 19th century.

The Rapture’s timing is understood many different ways among Protestants.

If you agree with me, I do not understand why you replied to my post.

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[Thing]

This is just the resurrection of the dead at the end of time.
Christ returns '…as lightening flashes from east to west, in clouds of glory… ’ He raises all the dead and together with those of the dead which belong to Him and with His people who were still among the living when He returns, He enters heaven.
Its one aspect, or view point, of the events around the general resurrection and final Judgement, the separation of the sheep and goats.
All sheep on My right, well done guys, - enter heaven, all goats, - begone to the fiery furnace prepared for the devil and his angels.
And this world then ends. And it is the close of this age.

12 And we will not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that are asleep, that you be not sorrowful, even as others who have no hope. 13 For if we believe that Jesus died, and rose again; even so them who have slept through Jesus, will God bring with him. 14 For this we say unto you in the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them who have slept. 15 For the Lord himself shall come down from heaven with commandment, and with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead who are in Christ, shall rise first.

16 Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, into the air, and so shall we be always with the Lord. 17 Wherefore, comfort ye one another with these words.

 

[Lev23]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The Church’s ultimate trial
675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, [emphasis added]577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581

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Jesus is coming a second time…but not two more times. The rapture (as it is commonly understood by most Protestants who have been “caught up” in the Left Behind hysteria) is not biblical and was completely unknown to Christianity prior to the 1830’s. It is a false “doctrine of men”.

Hope this helps. :tiphat:

It was completely unknown prior to the 1830’s because up to then the church thought almost nothing about Israel and cared nothing about her restoration by Messiah spoken of in the scriptures. Prophecies concerning such things had been taught as already fulfilled, allegorized for the church, or just simply ignored.

All because of how some “ECFs” interpreted scripture on their own some 1700 years ago.

The rapture is tied in to Yeshua’s return to Israel and the Earth.

That John Marigotti mp3 stresses the day of the Lord will take place in a moment. But he ignored all the scriptures that show that the day of the Lord have events that take place that make it longer than a moment or 24 hours.

Well, how do you make all these end times prophetic events happen all in one moment?

Remove Israel from its’ own prophecy.

 

[Randy_Carson]

That is the Rapture.

If you say the Rapture is not true, then you are necessarily saying that you are rejecting the Resurrection of the Church as described in 1 Thess.

Then you disagree with the timing of the Rapture, not the event itself. This is what I said earlier.

The Rapture’s timing is understood many different ways among Protestants.

If you agree with me, I do not understand why you replied to my post.

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I responded because I believe that most non-Catholic Christians adhere to the modern theological novelty that Jesus is going to return and all true-believers will be raptured while everyone else is left behind to undergo all sorts of tribulation until Jesus comes (again) at the end of time.

This is false and unbiblical. If you do not ascribe to this particular theology, then we have no quarrel on this subject.

 

[Dragoro]

Raptures a nice fairytale but untrue. Think it was made up cause people are scared of going through the apocolypse.

 

[Gamera]

The Rapture in NRC theology is the Resurrection of the church. If you do not believe the Resurrection of the church is biblical, that is something you may need to deal with.

1 Thess 4:16–17 “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.”

That is the Rapture. Nothing more and nothing less.
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No, that isn’t “The Rapture” at all. 1 Thes 4:16-17 says believers will rise up in the air to greet Jesus — not to be taken away by Him. It’s like the five wise maidens in the Parable, who went outside to greet the bridegroom, then went back inside with him for the wedding feast. The fact that we wil lrise in the air “to greet” the Lord is not at all like the false manmade doctrine of “The Rapture,” in which Jesus takes away believers. At the Second Coming, Jesus will return to stay with us, not to take us away.

 

[HamtramckSteve]

It’s like the five wise maidens in the Parable, who went outside to greet the bridegroom, then went back inside with him for the wedding feast.

An even better analogy from scripture is how the crowds ran out from Jerusalem to greet Jesus at the beginning of what we now commemorate as Palm Sunday.

 

[Atemi]

I responded because I believe that most non-Catholic Christians adhere to the modern theological novelty that Jesus is going to return and all true-believers will be raptured while everyone else is left behind to undergo all sorts of tribulation until Jesus comes (again) at the end of time.

This is false and unbiblical. If you do not ascribe to this particular theology, then we have no quarrel on this subject.

Ahh.

We cannot confuse the timing of an event with the event itself, like most seem to do in this thread. It is really unfortunate.

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[Atemi]

No, that isn’t “The Rapture” at all. 1 Thes 4:16-17 says believers will rise up in the air to greet Jesus — not to be taken away by Him. It’s like the five wise maidens in the Parable, who went outside to greet the bridegroom, then went back inside with him for the wedding feast. The fact that we wil lrise in the air “to greet” the Lord is not at all like the false manmade doctrine of “The Rapture,” in which Jesus takes away believers. At the Second Coming, Jesus will return to stay with us, not to take us away.

Sorry, but you are mistaken.

First of all, the word in question is apantēsis and means to “meet”. That cannot be taken to mean anything other than it says. What follows is not discussed in the text in question, other than that we will thus forever be with the Lord.

The Rapture is the event discussed in 1 Thess 4 and is the Resurrection of the church. When that will be, and what exactly follows it, is not discussed in the text in question.

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