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Now that the day of the rapture has ‘past’, do protestants (I forgot which denomination) still believe in it? If not, what do they believe now?
 
yep i still believe

i just hope i get taken with it…and not left here…:eek::eek:
 
The teaching of the rapture – which is based on a controversial interpretation of certain scriptures – is separate from anybody proclaiming a date for this event, which our LORD Himself has said, we would not be able to do.

For all the thousands who were flummoxed by the Harold Camping incident, there are millions who believe in a Rapture, but not in him or his teaching. They will continue to believe as they have understood scripture.

ICXC NIKA.
 
Speaking for the Protestants I know, every single one of them still believe in the Rapture (whether they adhere to the “Left Behind” kind of Rapture or a Catholic understanding of the Second Coming). I think I also speak for many Protestants, even the Dispensationalists (“Left Behind”/Tribulation believers) I know are frustrated with people like Harold Camping who make corny predictions like this. He makes all of us look bad by calling himself a Christian.
 
hdog said:
yep i still believe

i just hope i get taken with it…and not left here…:eek::eek:
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This always made me laugh. Read this verse again:

Matthew 24
37 And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark,
39 And they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.
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Who was left behind in the days of Noah? NOAH! The righteous were left behind, not the evil. The evil ones were taken out of the world.

I suppose I must be lacking something since I cannot wrap my head around the logic and hermeneutics of the rapture…
 
I can’t say that every Protestant I know believes in the rapture. It is, in fact, a reasonably new concept (less than 200 years old). As many events unfold which seem to indicate an impending Rapture, and time continues to pass, there will necessitate a change in the interpretation to cover the events.

For example, those who see Israel in the end time calculations seem to necessitate a rapture sometime in the next 50 years. When this does not happen, much like Harold, new interpretations will need to take shape.
 
FidesSpesCarita said:
I suppose I must be lacking something since I cannot wrap my head around the logic and hermeneutics of the rapture…
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Can’t the Rapture simply be another word for the Second Coming of Christ without being indicative of a “Left Behind” scenario?

I absolutely agree with your argument about Noah and the evil men being ‘taken’ away. I also agree with the verses in Matthew regarding Jesus discussion about “one will be taken, the other left behind” as being historically rooted in the destruction of Jerusalem as well as Revelation having mostly already occured.
 
PetoVeritas said:
Can’t the Rapture simply be another word for the Second Coming of Christ without being indicative of a “Left Behind” scenario?

I absolutely agree with your argument about Noah and the evil men being ‘taken’ away. I also agree with the verses in Matthew regarding Jesus discussion about “one will be taken, the other left behind” as being historically rooted in the destruction of Jerusalem as well as Revelation having mostly already occured.
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I don’t think so. The Rapture in and of itself means the rapture+time of tribulation+1000 year reign of Christ. All 1st mentioned in the 1890’s, IIRC
 
Gene_Church said:
I can’t say that every Protestant I know believes in the rapture. It is, in fact, a reasonably new concept (less than 200 years old). As many events unfold which seem to indicate an impending Rapture, and time continues to pass, there will necessitate a change in the interpretation to cover the events.

For example, those who see Israel in the end time calculations seem to necessitate a rapture sometime in the next 50 years. When this does not happen, much like Harold, new interpretations will need to take shape.
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Why fifty years? Do they expect Israel not to survive longer than that?

If so, no wonder modern Israelis don’t see Christendom altogether positively.

ICXC NIKA.
 
Actually, there will be some event corresponding to a “rapture.” It just will not take place so as to separate “true believers” from everybody else. It will happen at once, for everybody.

ICXC NIKA.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
I don’t think so. The Rapture in and of itself means the rapture+time of tribulation+1000 year reign of Christ. All 1st mentioned in the 1890’s, IIRC
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I would have to disagree with your definition of the word Rapture.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:17 the verse says, *Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Thus we shall always be with the Lord. *

According to the notes in the Catholic NAB found online here it states, “Will be caught up together: literally, snatched up, carried off; cf 2 Cor 12:2; Rev 12:5. From the Latin verb here used, rapiemur, has come the idea of ‘the rapture’”

or

in a more clear explanation found in part here:

Greek
The Koine Greek text of the Bible uses the verb form ἁρπαγησόμεθα [harpagēsometha], which means “we shall be caught up” or “taken away”, with the connotation that this is a sudden event. The dictionary form of this Greek verb is harpazō (ἁρπάζω).[3]

Latin
The Latin rapiemur is Saint Jerome’s translation of the Greek word ἁρπαγησόμεθα. This is a faithful translation, using a form of the Latin verb rapiō, meaning “to catch up” or “take away”.[4] It is found in the Vulgate rendering of 1 Thessalonians 4:17.[5]

English
“Rapture” is an English noun derived from the Latin verb rapiō, with a literal meaning of “I catch up” "or “I snatch” (from the infinitive form of the verb rapere, “to catch up”; “rapture” is also cognate to the English words “rapids”, “raptor”, “ravish”, and “rape”).

Therefore, when I state that Protestants (or Catholics) can believe in the Rapture or “to be caught up with Christ” I believe it to be an accurate statement of the events that shall unfold at the Second Coming of Christ without believing in a Tribulation, a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth, or a belief in non-believers being left behind.
 
PetoVeritas said:
Can’t the Rapture simply be another word for the Second Coming of Christ without being indicative of a “Left Behind” scenario?
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Yes, it could and in that case I would say that it is a legitimate. However, every time I have had it explained to me it was always in the context of a “left behind” scenario and as such I reject it on principle… and stubbornness…
 
PetoVeritas said:
I would have to disagree with your definition of the word Rapture.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:17 the verse says, Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Thus we shall always be with the Lord.

According to the notes in the Catholic NAB found online here it states, “Will be caught up together: literally, snatched up, carried off; cf 2 Cor 12:2; Rev 12:5. From the Latin verb here used, rapiemur, has come the idea of ‘the rapture’”

or

in a more clear explanation found in part here:

Greek
The Koine Greek text of the Bible uses the verb form ἁρπαγησόμεθα [harpagēsometha], which means “we shall be caught up” or “taken away”, with the connotation that this is a sudden event. The dictionary form of this Greek verb is harpazō (ἁρπάζω).[3]

Latin
The Latin rapiemur is Saint Jerome’s translation of the Greek word ἁρπαγησόμεθα. This is a faithful translation, using a form of the Latin verb rapiō, meaning “to catch up” or “take away”.[4] It is found in the Vulgate rendering of 1 Thessalonians 4:17.[5]

English
“Rapture” is an English noun derived from the Latin verb rapiō, with a literal meaning of “I catch up” "or “I snatch” (from the infinitive form of the verb rapere, “to catch up”; “rapture” is also cognate to the English words “rapids”, “raptor”, “ravish”, and “rape”).

Therefore, when I state that Protestants (or Catholics) can believe in the Rapture or “to be caught up with Christ” I believe it to be an accurate statement of the events that shall unfold at the Second Coming of Christ without believing in a Tribulation, a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth, or a belief in non-believers being left behind.
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I agree with your corrections 🙂

I wasn’t clear :o I meant the rapture as a Protestant concept. 🙂
 
FidesSpesCarita said:
Yes, it could and in that case I would say that it is a legitimate. However, every time I have had it explained to me it was always in the context of a “left behind” scenario and as such I reject it on principle… and stubbornness…
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HA HA HA!! YES!! I would have to agree with your principle and stubborness as I share in both abundantly.

While I know many Protestants do use certain terms, phrases, and words to describe a true and sincere intent, I can’t help but feel that sometimes many vernacular phrases have been “hijacked”. Most pointedly by extreme Fundamentalists which therefore renders the verbal expression invalid for those who do not share the same principle intent behind the vocabularic expression.
 
Well the pentecostals still believe in a rapture But after coming home to the catholic Church I totally ridded myself of such false beliefs.
 
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