The real reason for abortion and contraception

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first of all, I hate it when christians get sucked into the “womans right” false argument when discussing these topics… The “womans right” arguement is a trap and a lie. The real reason behind these two evils that no one talks about and should more is that abortion and contraception eliminate the consequences of fornication and adultery We live in a highly adulterous fornicating world. Really, who supports this stuff but those who want to have umlimited sex partners or married men/women who dont want to get caught. A world where people are told to have sex whenever and with whomever and no wonder the newer generations usually support these things. Shame on you World! The world loves fornication, and dare a pregnancy should stand in the way of some worldly fun. Shame on you, World.!!! Shame on you world, that a baby is slaughtered for the price of fornicating and adulterous parents… Jesus was not and did not beat around the bush to explain something or to rebuke something. Oftentimes he brought shame unto his opponents. When discussing these hot topics we should not let ourselves be spinned into false arguments such womens rights, but not hesitate to speak the real reason behind these issues. Shame works! Calling shame “SHAME” was an effective tool for Jesus.

my two cents
in Christ
 
YourAverageJoe said:
first of all, I hate it when christians get sucked into the “womans right” false argument when discussing these topics… The “womans right” arguement is a trap and a lie. The real reason behind these two evils that no one talks about and should more is that abortion and contraception eliminate the consequences of fornication and adultery We live in a highly adulterous fornicating world. Really, who supports this stuff but those who want to have umlimited sex partners or married men/women who dont want to get caught. A world where people are told to have sex whenever and with whomever and no wonder the newer generations usually support these things. Shame on you World! The world loves fornication, and dare a pregnancy should stand in the way of some worldly fun. Shame on you, World.!!! Shame on you world, that a baby is slaughtered for the price of fornicating and adulterous parents… Jesus was not and did not beat around the bush to explain something or to rebuke something. Oftentimes he brought shame unto his opponents. When discussing these hot topics we should not let ourselves be spinned into false arguments such womens rights, but not hesitate to speak the real reason behind these issues. Shame works! Calling shame “SHAME” was an effective tool for Jesus.

my two cents
in Christ
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Oh and the other reason for abortion and contraception is economic cost. Its cheaper than having a baby, they say… This is also a false argument. Isnt it funny how Evil always wants the cheap way out…
 
YourAverageJoe said:
Really, who supports this stuff but those who want to have umlimited sex partners or married men/women who dont want to get caught.
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A very large number of people, apart from those you mention, should they indeed exist.
 
YourAverageJoe said:
The real reason behind these two evils that no one talks about and should more is that abortion and contraception eliminate the consequences of fornication and adultery

We live in a highly adulterous fornicating world. Really, who supports this stuff but those who want to have umlimited sex partners or married men/women who dont want to get caught. A world where people are told to have sex whenever and with whomever and no wonder the newer generations usually support these things.
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Dear One,

I agree with you. Contraception, and more disturbingly abortion, do eliminate the consequences of fornication and adultery.

To “those who want to have unlimited sex partners or married man/women who don’t want to get caught.” I would add - unmarried men and women who are committed to each other, who don’t want to conceive a child. I say this because, not all unmarried individuals are interested in unlimited sexual partners.

I get upset because so many people think people can’t live without sex, and that just simply is not true. That belief, places so much pressure on people of all ages.

Blessings - Chochy
 
“I have set before you life and death…Choose life! (9 Deuteronomy 30:19)”

Abortion is an ongoing tragedy. Genetics and fetology make it clearer every day that abortion kills a human being. Some of us accept that evidence and choose life. Others cling to their own ideology and show the stubbornness of the Pharisees. The evidence is right before our eyes; however, some on this forum think that is just my opinion! The refusal to know that there is a child in the womb is a sin. “If you were blind, there would be no sin in that, but ‘We see,’ you say, and your sin remains (John 9, v, 41)”
 
The reason for contraception is:
  1. unmarried people use contraception because they do not understand or agree that sex is proper to marriage. Indeed, I don’t think most singles even see marriage as relevant, but that’s another thread.
  2. married people use contraception because they don’t understand or agree that every sex act should be open to children. And because they want to control births with the greatest amount of assurance for the least amount of effort.
 
jpjd said:
The reason for contraception is:
  1. unmarried people use contraception because they do not understand or agree that sex is proper to marriage. Indeed, I don’t think most singles even see marriage as relevant, but that’s another thread.
  2. married people use contraception because they don’t understand or agree that every sex act should be open to children. And because they want to control births with the greatest amount of assurance for the least amount of effort.
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Very well put, and a welcome contrast with the language of the OP.
 
YourAverageJoe said:
The real reason behind these two evils that no one talks about and should more is that abortion and contraception eliminate the consequences of fornication and adultery
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My wife uses contraception because we like our life as it is at the moment. I personally dont consider making love in a loving married relationship to be fornication or adultery. Please correct me if I am wrong 🤷 We are not catholics. Is this still “evil” in your eyes? God bless.
 
Dave_B said:
My wife uses contraception because we like our life as it is at the moment. I personally dont consider making love in a loving married relationship to be fornication or adultery. Please correct me if I am wrong 🤷 We are not catholics. Is this still “evil” in your eyes? God bless.
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I cannot answer for him, but I think it is “intrinsically evil” in his opinion. Where did that nonsense come from that one must be “open” to conception in each and every instance of love making? Eating is done partly to sustain oneself, and partly for enjoyment. No one says that the sustenance part “must be there”, and to consume something strictly for the enjoyment is “interinsically evil” (there are good tasting foods with little or no nutritional value). I think that sex really “got on” their mind.
 
“Suckers”? I’d be careful of your wording, if you want to stay on this forum for long 🙂
 
Dave_B said:
My wife uses contraception because we like our life as it is at the moment. I personally dont consider making love in a loving married relationship to be fornication or adultery. Please correct me if I am wrong 🤷 We are not catholics. Is this still “evil” in your eyes? God bless.
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The whole idea that contraception is wrong is that it takes God out of the picture of sexual intimacy. The purpose of intercourse is twofold - to reproduce and to express love to your spouse. By using contraception, you’re telling God, “I don’t want to have children, but want to enjoy the other parts of sex. What I want is more important than You.”

I am speaking from the point of view of having used contraception and after researching the topic, agree with the Catholic Church’s stand. God’s will is first in my life, in all areas, including my sexual relationship with my wife. This was hard to accept for me, but i believe it is correct, and my relationship with my wife has been much better since coming to this realization.

God bless,
Bryan
 
“When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include – which should include abstinence education and teaching the children – teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include – it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals.** But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby**. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

~ President Obama

It’s a sad day when our nation’s own President feels that children are a punishment. It is also a sad day when our nation’s President chooses to trample on the first Amendment of the Constitution. He is not above the Law, and he does not have the say to make his own law that goes against it:

AMENDMENT I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or** prohibiting the free exercise thereof;** or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 
I agree that abortion and contraception are tied to the beliefs of our society that sexual freedom is a necessay right - the freedom to have sex whenever we want and to an extent with whomever we want. I am appalled at the idea of a child as a punishment for the sin of fornication or adultery. I am appalled that our president thinks that contraception and abortion are undeniable rights of citizens of our country to the point that even those whose beliefs oppose contraeption and abortion should contribute to the funding for them. No matter how they are paid for under the government, we are required to contribute to the funding either through taxes or our insurance premiums. Does anyone believe that our premiums won’t go up if the insurance companies are required to provide contraception and abortion coverage without government funding? And if the government pays for it, where does the money come from?

Women say that they have a right to S & A, and that we have no right to deny it to them based on our religious beliefs - which they don’t share. The fact is that we are not trying to deny them the right. We are just trying to exercise our right not to pay for their choice and thus support it, which violates our religious beliefs…

The main argument I hear for free abortion and contraception is that a woman has a right to control her own body. That is wrong on so many levels. First only half of the issue is controlling HER body. There is another body involved in this decision; and it is one that cannot protect itself. To some extent there is another person involved too, the father. There is part of him in this body the women wants to get rid of in order to control her body.
Second, I don’t think anyone would say that I can kill another human being if they get in the way of the lifestyle I want to enjoy. Can you imagine me killing my husband because I want to be single? It is never OK to do evil to accomplish good.

I can’t understand how people think when they don’t consider abortion to be murder. I think that is a real roadblock to agreement on the abotion part of the issue.
 
I think the OP woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!

Lots of married couples with plenty of kids use some form of contraception because they can’t handle another baby and don’t know how to use NFP or simply don’t see the difference between NFP and other forms of birth control. If it was allowed, and not abortifacient, I would use the pill in a second. I don’t know how to use NFP and I have 2 kids ages 2 and under, so no time to learn. I’ll just end up screwing it up and getting pregnant again.
 
There are consequences to fornication and adultery that are not eliminated by contraception and/or abortion.

The majority of contraception/sterilization users that I know are monogamous married couples, and those few people I know who have considered abortion have been married and looking at a child with a genetic disease. (I do not support abortion of children, so don’t assume that.)
 
LaSainte said:
I think the OP woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!

Lots of married couples with plenty of kids use some form of contraception because they can’t handle another baby and don’t know how to use NFP or simply don’t see the difference between NFP and other forms of birth control. If it was allowed, and not abortifacient, I would use the pill in a second. I don’t know how to use NFP and I have 2 kids ages 2 and under, so no time to learn. I’ll just end up screwing it up and getting pregnant again.
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I wouldn’t, but only because of other problems I have.
 
There are a number of reasons:

The primary reason is that some Catholics gradually accepted the very gradual changes promoted by a small group of radicals and then these were amplified by the media. The “freedom” the Hippies were yelling about in the late 1960s boiled down to: “Hey man. If it feels good, do it.”

So pleasure became more important than children. It takes two to make a baby. If the decision was made to have voluntary sex, then, if some became pregnant without intentionally doing so, there was abortion, or going on the Pill or using condoms or the various other means to prevent conception.

Sex is not a plaything and the Church does recognize that pleasure is involved. But if the goal is personal pleasure first and a baby, maybe, then the purpose of the marriage relationship is devalued. What was once “a bundle of joy” and “a gift from God” became an impediment to pleasure.

When “No-Fault Divorce” became widely available in the 1980s, the ads for it made marriage look trivial. Example: “No kids? $75 and you’re out. Call 800-DIVORCE.” This is one contributing factor as to why younger people do not trust the idea of marriage. Divorce became too easy.

That is why I watch very little TV and do not buy certain magazines and books. Sex, sex and more sex. Over 50 and having trouble? Take this pill and have more sex.

Pope Paul VI saw all this coming in 1968. Here was the reaction to Humanae Vitae:

regnumchristi.org/english/articulos/imprimir.phtml?se=362&ca=967&te=707&id=21122&opcion=1

Peace,
Ed
 
Pope Paul VI’s warnings about the consequences of the acceptance and practice of contraception in 1968 have been completely borne out in the sociological disasters that followed. The consequences exceeded even what he predicted in their effect on the culture. It has been a disaster for women, for families, for men, for children. We will be paying the social price of the acceptance of contraception for decades to come. The consequences have been studied in detail over the past 40 years are are painstakingly detailed in Mary Eberstadt’s book:
amazon.com/Adam-Eve-After-Pill-Revolution/dp/1586176277

PS–and I might add–this isn’t even a “Catholic” book. Don’t expect a detailed review of the Church’s teachings. It’s mostly a review of the sociological data following the sexual revolution.
 
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I cannot answer for him, but I think it is “intrinsically evil” in his opinion. Where did that nonsense come from that one must be “open” to conception in each and every instance of love making? Eating is done partly to sustain oneself, and partly for enjoyment. No one says that the sustenance part “must be there”, and to consume something strictly for the enjoyment is “interinsically evil” (there are good tasting foods with little or no nutritional value). I think that sex really “got on” their mind. Poor suckers.
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No, your ananlogy is wrong. A married couple can engage in the marital act mostly for pleasure while still understanding that a baby may be conceived, even when it is unlikely; that would be like your idea of eating foods with little or no nutritional value.

What using contraception is more like is what bulemics do: vomit their food so as to avoid the natural consequences of eating.

Additionally, a person who does eat solely for pleasure too often or too much is in danger of falling into the sin of gluttony.
 
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