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ShrodingersCat
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I had summer jobs while I was in uni and paid rent to my parents. They would not have let me sit at home rent free. Nor would I have wanted to because they instilled a good work ethic in me.
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I had summer jobs while I was in uni and paid rent to my parents. They would not have let me sit at home rent free. Nor would I have wanted to because they instilled a good work ethic in me.
I’m in full time-education. But I also work. I would expect my kids to do this too.
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tafan
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We were created for work.
The Church teaches : No one has the right to not work.
The Church teaches : No one has the right to not work.
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RCinMT
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And here is part two: a mentality of not having to work too much. I got news: the corporate slaves who seem to be detested in some circles…work just as much. On salary. No OT pay. At least the wage worker working 60 hours per week is paid for every hour…
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RCinMT
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This is untrue. As JPII said.: work was created for men, men were not created for work. But we should work.
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tafan
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It is very true. We were created to know God, to love God, and to **serve **God. Work is part of the initial condition of man, it precedes the fall. The result of sin is toil, not work.
From the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, paragraph 264:
And I will have to go back and get out my copy of JP II’s theology of the body, but he certainly talked about Adam and Eve having to work before the fall, how we will work in heaven, etc. As a matter of fact, IIRC, at the end of the Theology of the Body, he talked about areas of Theology of the Body that needed to be explored more by theologians, and his main example was work.
Granted, I should have used the word “to” instead of “for”, never the less it is clear that work is one if the purposes of life and none of us are exempt from it.
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JimG
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This would make a great public service announcement. I would like to see it posted in a lot of places!
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tafan
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Dont get too excited, everyone also has a right to a living wage in return for their work
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Or a sign posted inside an internment camp…
I have to admit, that phrase kind of gives me the willies.
Might want to market test it in the African American communities before you roll that out on the radio…
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tafan
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Not for sure how you interpret your last sentence. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, so I will simply advice you to delete the comment. It could easily be interpreted in a way that is very offensive.
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punisherthunder
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My younger brother is just like this.
He barely has a high school diploma, zero college, and works at a McJob. He lives with my parents, has no goals, uses drugs. Worse yet, when he screws up, my parents are always right there to give him money, etc. Makes me sick.
He told me he wanted to move to L.A., but couldn’t afford an apartment. I merely told him that if he wanted to move there, he would need to quit his McJob, find something that pays a little better and save. He was highly insulted at the thought of this.
He barely has a high school diploma, zero college, and works at a McJob. He lives with my parents, has no goals, uses drugs. Worse yet, when he screws up, my parents are always right there to give him money, etc. Makes me sick.
He told me he wanted to move to L.A., but couldn’t afford an apartment. I merely told him that if he wanted to move there, he would need to quit his McJob, find something that pays a little better and save. He was highly insulted at the thought of this.
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JimG
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The phrase “no one has a right not to work,” is just a re-statement of what St. Paul says in 2 thessalonians 3 10.
It’s not a complete statement of social justice doctrine. It doesn’t even say that one must have paid work. After all a stay at home parent works but doesn’t get paid in money. And it says nothing about the amount of pay. Does every job have to pay a living wage? If so, a lot of employers in my life beginning at age 15 owe me a lot of back pay.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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You would be able interpreting it wrong then. It is not written to be offensive, just commenting that it would be a bad public service announcement to victims of slavery or other forced uncompensated labor. It actually was meant to piggy back off of your point.
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tafan
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Makes sense. Like I said, I wasn’t sure. sorry.
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tafan
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I never said it was a complete statement. I quoted one paragraph out if an entire book.
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EasterJoy
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Our parents’ rule was: Two weeks free time unless you have a job, you’re going to school, or you are working at whatever work the parents have for you to do full time. More time off than than that, and you need to be supporting yourself. Once you’re supporting yourself, your standard of living, the hours you keep, and so on are your business.
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tafan
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Having raised several kids through college, I have been amazed at how few of my kid’s friends are ever required to get a summer job while in high school. When I was a kid, everyone had a summer job. Now, businesses won’t hire anyone until they are 16, but it doesn’t matter. Kids don’t even look for a job. A lot of kids don’t get jobs during their summer break while in college, hardly any high school kids get a job,
Even parents, who I know have to struggle saving for college, whose kids have to take out student loans, do not make their kids get a summer job in high school. Its truly amazing. It drives me crazy trying to keep a 14 or 15 year old busy during the summer and off the computers and games. When they hit 16, they have to be working. My kids get jobs and its not uncommon for them to work 50-60 hour weeks.
Even parents, who I know have to struggle saving for college, whose kids have to take out student loans, do not make their kids get a summer job in high school. Its truly amazing. It drives me crazy trying to keep a 14 or 15 year old busy during the summer and off the computers and games. When they hit 16, they have to be working. My kids get jobs and its not uncommon for them to work 50-60 hour weeks.
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ConfusedLucy
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I think it’s also worth adding that not all work brings value, I’m thinking of people who work in call centres who do nothing but nuisance phone calls and chuggers (charity muggers) who do nothing but harass people in the street or door to door for their bank details.
Likewise there are plenty of non-work actions that bring about value such as volunteering or even spending quality time with friends and family and helping them through bad times.
Likewise there are plenty of non-work actions that bring about value such as volunteering or even spending quality time with friends and family and helping them through bad times.
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JimG
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It’s true that not all work is perceived as being of equal value to society. But I think that all work is of value to the individual who is working. I’ve had a lot of jobs that seemed tedious or meaningless, yet every job required me to learn something and to maintain a work ethic. Volunteer work also has value, but one’s first responsibility is to earn a living. I’ve heard people complain about the downside of their jobs, the things they don’t like, but my response is to consider the upside: you get paid money and benefits and are able to support yourself. Still, there does seem to be an overall decline in the work ethic. The imperative to earn a living is not as strong as it once was.
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ConfusedLucy
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Working doesn’t always equal earning a living these days though. I also stand by my attitude to jobs like that, they do more harm than good and it can’t do a person much good to be in a job that just brings distress to other people.
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