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I disagree. See my previous post for my proof.It is true that God could have created you or me to be more holy, but since our holiness is primarily a result of our choices, to create someone who was both me and who chose differently than I would would be to violate my free will.
I would clarify this by saying that He could have created you and I with less or no concupiscence, and thus allowed us greater capability to freely choose to be and act holy.Of course, He could sidestep that by creating someone who was not me, but was similar in most respects (same parents, same personality, given the same name, reads too much, etc.) except being a lot more holy.
That’s a valid point and may be true. Honestly, I’m not sure whether I believe it to be true or not, as I still haven’t fully figured out what defines “me” as “me”.But this person would not be me,
Not necessarily. The fact that God could choose to create us with different qualities, and that those qualities would entail different actions, does not necessarily entail that God’s reason for choosing different qualities is to change our actions. That is a logical fallacy to assert causation simply because of correlation, isn’t it?and so we’d have the previous case of God choosing to create or not create people based on their actions.
Is it? According to your own logic, isn’t God “capitulating to evil” even in such isolated cases? And wouldn’t your logic make the doctrine of Immaculate Conception a sever impingement of Mary’s Free Will?Note though that the second is only a problem if He always does this - creating a John the Baptist in addition to everyone else who will go around and fix many og the problems we made is fine
That’s fair. I don’t have the answer either. I’m still looking for it, though.As to how God decides who to create and who not to create - that is something that I simply don’t have an answer for, in any particularity. What mechanism He might or might not have I don’t know.

That seems problematic to me. Even I can imagine more people than actually exist, simply by imaging variations in the people who do, and thus I can always imagine more “potential people” than can actually be realized as “actualized people”. Therefore, it would seem that God (being infinitely greater than I), would be capable of imagining many more people than it would be (logically) possible for Him to create in a single universe.It could be that each person who He imagines, He does create
See previous comment.… So it is possible (again, it seems possible, I cannot say that I know that it is happening) that God doesn’t “imagine” two people, and decide to create one over the other, but simply decides to create people at times and places when and where their existence will have the best result.
I’m going to think more on that last bit. I don’t think it invalidates my other reasoning, but it may be a completely alternate explanation of the issue.It is true that it is always possible for the world to be better, simply by the addition of one more good person. In part, the answer is that if the world can always be better, then the thing to do is to create a world that is continually evolving towards perfection - not so much in the sense as a reachable goal, but in the same way that a function might approach infinity. (Which is actually, insofar as I understand it, what the Church says is happening.)
So in short, it could be that because God could always improve the world by creating one more good thing, that He always does so, and so the world is always improving. As for how it is now - well, something that improves has to start somewhere, and while it could be better, it will be; and it is good now.