The reasons why we exist?

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A need is hardly a reason if it is insatiable (at least at first)! It becomes an excuse because it is irrational and inconsistent. 😉

This interpretation is understandable as you seem to believe there is no real reason why we exist….
That is basically what I believe. I do think we have the ability to make our lives matter to the future.
 
That is basically what I believe. I do think we have the ability to make our lives matter to the future.
If there is no reason why we exist there is no reason why our lives matter:
24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
Matthew 7:24-27
 
Do you agree that truth, goodness, freedom, justice, beauty and love are more precious and significant than anything else in life?
What does this have to do with the reasons why we exist? Are you saying you exist because of your own reasoning?

Besides what you’ve mention is relative to a persons belief of what is “freedom, justice, beauty and love”.
 
What does this have to do with the reasons why we exist? Are you saying you exist because of your own reasoning?
I didn’t create my power of reason. 🤷
Besides what you’ve mention is relative to a persons belief of what is “freedom, justice, beauty and love”.
Are the criminal’s beliefs as valid as everyone else’s? If not why not?
 
👍 Short and sweet!
Sorry the Catechism of the Catholic Church isn’t the bible, nor does the Catechism of the Catholic Church supercede the scriptures. What is there that God has said is good, very good that God doesn’t love in His creation, considering that we know that God is Love? Everything has it’s place and purpose in God’s creation. Surly He loves His only begotten Son, His angles His earth His creatures and all other living things under the sun. What makes you so special? Cause you want to be?

If the Lord God wants warm and fuzzy, He could make more puppies and kittens, and surround Himself with them. Warm and fuzzy is not required of men, in order for God to receive a warm and fuzzy feelings. That isn’t man’s purpose on the face of the earth.

The reason why we exist is to be the fulfillment of God’s Judgements in the earth, according to His Commandments. Of which Jesus showed us the fulfillment of according to the satisfaction of God the Father’s Commandments to men through His Word.

The love of God that God bestows on us is like the Grace and Life that are benefits thereof but not the purpose. And yes because He loved us and we are restored into His good Grace, but the reason for our being in His creation is a different purpose.
 
I didn’t create my power of reason. 🤷
So what you are saying is, you don’t use what God has given you, like the ability to reason, correct? But you will use the Catechism of the Catholic Church, right?
Are the criminal’s beliefs as valid as everyone else’s? If not why not?
If you don’t know there is such a thing as error, then it would be a waist of time to answer.
 
So what you are saying is, you don’t use what God has given you, like the ability to reason, correct? But you will use the Catechism of the Catholic Church, right?
A false deduction.
If you don’t know there is such a thing as error, then it would be a waist of time to answer.
Another false deduction. 🤷
 
If there is no reason why we exist there is no reason why our lives matter:

Matthew 7:24-27
Sure it does. We have the chance to leave our world a little better for the next group. We are all here, may as well make the best of it.
 
So what you are saying is, you don’t use what God has given you, like the ability to reason, correct? But you will use the Catechism of the Catholic Church, right?

If you don’t know there is such a thing as error, then it would be a waist of time to answer.
D_Martin,

I tried very hard to resist the temptation to step to tonyrey’s defense and failed. I see no other course of action as a possibility for me after laughing at how high the irony meter rose while reading your post.
Do you see the irony in your reply? If you do not, would it be a WASTE of my time to let you know what it is? While thinking this over please use the reason that God gave to you to digest this.
 
Sure it does. We have the chance to leave our world a little better for the next group. We are all here, may as well make the best of it.
The trouble with leaving our world a little better for the next group is that there is a need to refrain from activities that are unavoidable. If we could have remained in the Garden of Eden without eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, we would not have started this birth-eat-pollute-die cycle. Original Sin started the whole process. We cannot avoid pollution. We cannot avoid eating other living beings. If we could avoid these activities, the world would probably be better off.
 
Sure it does. We have the chance to leave our world a little better for the next group. We are all here, may as well make the best of it.
You are assuming we can make things better but from a scientific point of view that is sheer nonsense: everything we think and do has physical causes beyond our control. We are helpless spectators incapable of making the slightest difference to the world, mere cogs in an immense machine!
 
It is only with the grace that our Lord Jesus Christ gives to us that we can be of help to all around us.

Jesus gave us the means to become holy…let us begin the spiritual journey! When we love our enemies with the grace of our Lord in spite of opposition, others will be attracted to following Him.,

We have the shoulders of giants to stand on, who down through the ages has given us so much wisdom and insights by their writings! Prayer needs to be taken seriously, and knowledge of the truths of our faith.

The source and summit of our faith is THE MASS! Through prayer and the sacraments and constant vigilance we can become holier. Our spiritual journey needs to be taken seriously.

Lord Jesus Christ, help us to wake up to the fullness of what You want to give us!

Blessed Mother Mary pray for us!
 
It is only with the grace that our Lord Jesus Christ gives to us that we can be of help to all around us.

Jesus gave us the means to become holy…let us begin the spiritual journey! When we love our enemies with the grace of our Lord in spite of opposition, others will be attracted to following Him.,

We have the shoulders of giants to stand on, who down through the ages has given us so much wisdom and insights by their writings! Prayer needs to be taken seriously, and knowledge of the truths of our faith.

The source and summit of our faith is THE MASS! Through prayer and the sacraments and constant vigilance we can become holier. Our spiritual journey needs to be taken seriously.

Lord Jesus Christ, help us to wake up to the fullness of what You want to give us!

Blessed Mother Mary pray for us!
Since this is a philosophy forum, we can say that your philosophy is holiness and the way to achieve that is to pray. Here is an excerpt from The Catholic Encyclopedia which treats holiness:

“Hence St. Thomas (Aquinas) defines holiness as that virtue by which a man’s mind applies itself and all its acts to God; he ranks it among the infused moral virtues, and identifies it with the virtue of religion, but with this difference that, whereas religion is the virtue whereby we offer God due service in the things which pertain to the Divine service, holiness is the virtue by which we make all our acts subservient to God. Thus holiness or sanctity is the outcome of sanctification, that Divine act by which God freely justifies us, and by which He has claimed us for His own; by our resulting sanctity, in act as well as in habit, we claim Him as our Beginning and as the End towards which we daily unflinchingly tend.”

Hence why we are here is to render service to God 24/7. Am I correct in this philosophy?
 
You are assuming we can make things better but from a scientific point of view that is sheer nonsense: everything we think and do has physical causes beyond our control. We are helpless spectators incapable of making the slightest difference to the world, mere cogs in an immense machine!
I have more hope for this little group called humanity. Science will help, but people generally want to help others and not dirty their own nest. I don’t envision some utopia, and progress is usually messy…but look how far we have come.
 
I have more hope for this little group called humanity. Science will help, but people generally want to help others and not dirty their own nest. I don’t envision some utopia, and progress is usually messy…but look how far we have come.
How does one avoid dirtying one’s own nest?

The vast majority of Earth’s humanity barely eke out a living. This has been the case for thousands of years. The fact that some of us are able to escape abject poverty is progress of a sort. However, in doing this, we have degraded Earth. Climate warming, pollution of oceans, soil erosion, etc. are the result. Is this progress?
 
Since this is a philosophy forum, we can say that your philosophy is holiness and the way to achieve that is to pray. Here is an excerpt from The Catholic Encyclopedia which treats holiness:

“Hence St. Thomas (Aquinas) defines holiness as that virtue by which a man’s mind applies itself and all its acts to God; he ranks it among the infused moral virtues, and identifies it with the virtue of religion, but with this difference that, whereas religion is the virtue whereby we offer God due service in the things which pertain to the Divine service, holiness is the virtue by which we make all our acts subservient to God. Thus holiness or sanctity is the outcome of sanctification, that Divine act by which God freely justifies us, and by which He has claimed us for His own; by our resulting sanctity, in act as well as in habit, we claim Him as our Beginning and as the End towards which we daily unflinchingly tend.”

Hence why we are here is to render service to God 24/7. Am I correct in this philosophy?
You are correct. I emphasized prayer without mentioning that our actions and thoughts in all we do need to spring from our prayer. Yes, 24/7 is the goal!

Thank you!
 
I have more hope for this little group called humanity. Science will help, but people generally want to help others and not dirty their own nest. I don’t envision some utopia, and progress is usually messy…but look how far we have come.
I specified “from a scientific point of view”:
Everything we think and do has physical causes beyond our control. We are helpless spectators incapable of making the slightest difference to the world, mere cogs in an immense machine!
This is sheer nonsense because there is ample evidence we have changed the world for the worse. We have come far indeed but both uphill and downhill. We have diminished or eliminated some diseases and increased or created others! One of the reasons we exist is to choose to act positively and negatively. Our power transcends natural causes and demonstrates that materialism is unmistakably false.
 
I have more hope for this little group called humanity. Science will help, but people generally want to help others and not dirty their own nest. I don’t envision some utopia, and progress is usually messy…but look how far we have come.
Yes, we have come very far, and are very nearly capable of annihilating our species along with most others. We could never have done that until the advent of the atomic age. The only thing that holds us back is not science, but love of God and each other thrown in with some common sense.
 
The only thing that holds us back is not science, but love of God and each other thrown in with some common sense.
Well, “we” don’t control the use of nuclear weapons–government officials do. The only thing holding them back is the possibility of retaliation or the loss of foreign trade.

Make no mistake, if the U.S. could obliterate the rest of the world with no harm to itself, it would do so without a second thought.
 
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