The Red Pill: How radical feminism is demeaning to men

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I have known very very very few third wave feminists but a vast majority of women do get married and surprise get along well with their husbands. You sound as if the vast majority of women are colluding among themselves to bring men down. I grew up in Asia and women there are far from the third wave feminists that you describe. Even in the US, the vast majority of women are not hatching evil plots.

I for one do not wish ill on anyone, even though I am a woman.
It’s another red pill contradiction. The much-derided educated, professional women are the most likely to get married and stay married. It’s women with nothing beyond a high school education in low wage positions who are the most likely to have children out of wedlock and divorce.

The inclusion of women in civil life is not “destroying the family”. :rolleyes:
 
I have known very very very few third wave feminists but a vast majority of women do get married and surprise get along well with their husbands. You sound as if the vast majority of women are colluding among themselves to bring men down. I grew up in Asia and women there are far from the third wave feminists that you describe. Even in the US, the vast majority of women are not hatching evil plots.

I for one do not wish ill on anyone, even though I am a woman.
I don’t wish ill on anyone too. But the topic is “radical feminism” not average women. I had a friend who had a chair at a University in Hong Kong. I admire Asian culture a great deal and have come to know some Asian people who are very polite and well-mannered in general. An Asian woman came to our office and I told her I was at her service should she need anything. The way she dressed was completely in line with a version of being feminine which I embrace, but radical feminists would look at her as the hated “lady-like” person women should reject.

Ed
 
Radicalism must be radical. It’s like being a member of the Communist Party. If you question the Party, you are denounced. If you write anything against the Party, you are a traitor. Loyalty to the Party must be total. Doing what the Party tells you to do is your duty. Propaganda and lies to stir up the masses must continue without end.

Ed
 
Radicalism must be radical. It’s like being a member of the Communist Party. If you question the Party, you are denounced. If you write anything against the Party, you are a traitor. Loyalty to the Party must be total. Doing what the Party tells you to do is your duty. Propaganda and lies to stir up the masses must continue without end.

Ed
Could someone define exactly what they mean by “radical feminism”? I think what’s bothering a lot of people here is it’s ending up used as an attack on any woman who identifies herself as a feminist - and there are a fair number of women here who identify as feminists.
 
I don’t wish ill on anyone too. But the topic is “radical feminism” not average women. I had a friend who had a chair at a University in Hong Kong. I admire Asian culture a great deal and have come to know some Asian people who are very polite and well-mannered in general. An Asian woman came to our office and I told her I was at her service should she need anything. The way she dressed was completely in line with a version of being feminine which I embrace, but radical feminists would look at her as the hated “lady-like” person women should reject.

Ed
I’m sure I dress like a version of feminity you would embrace - and I’m visibly pregnant to boot! And I got married closer to 20 than 30.

You would think, given everything you’ve said, that as a woman in law and soon to be academia, everyone in law, education, and my super liberal city would totally shun, if not outright spit on me. But, I’ve never, ever been disrespected for my life choices or made to feel like I’ve somehow betrayed a higher principle. Most women I know are either married, or hope to be.
 
I’m sure I dress like a version of feminity you would embrace - and I’m visibly pregnant to boot! And I got married closer to 20 than 30.

You would think, given everything you’ve said, that as a woman in law and soon to be academia, everyone in law, education, and my super liberal city would totally shun, if not outright spit on me. But, I’ve never, ever been disrespected for my life choices or made to feel like I’ve somehow betrayed a higher principle. Most women I know are either married, or hope to be.
I am not and never was a feminine dresser. Besides wearing a dress, heels and jewelry while working on freight trains is not the most practical and would violate safety rules.

I also am not married or visibly pregnant and have a STEM degree, yet because of my pro-life views I am not accepted by feminists.

I also am not accepted by some conservative Christians because I do not fit the paradigm that all women must be wives and mothers.
 
Could someone define exactly what they mean by “radical feminism”? I think what’s bothering a lot of people here is it’s ending up used as an attack on any woman who identifies herself as a feminist - and there are a fair number of women here who identify as feminists.
Perhaps you could define feminist? Radical feminists most resemble a highly defined political party which automatically rejects women who violate one or more of the ‘core principles.’

See post # 198 for one definition of radical feminism.

Ed
 
Could someone define exactly what they mean by “radical feminism”? I think what’s bothering a lot of people here is it’s ending up used as an attack on any woman who identifies herself as a feminist - and there are a fair number of women here who identify as feminists.
Near as I can tell, it’s an internet enclave of extremists who whine, blame everything on the opposite sex and invisible boogeymen, and resent their perceived lot in life.

They seem to have almost everything in common with red pillers. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is busy building careers, getting married, and raising kids. Even the most powerful and well known female politicians are wives and mothers.

And that’s what’s so weird. The red pillers are threatened by this idea of a woman that really doesn’t exist en masse. The women at the top tend to lead pretty traditional lives and the stereotypical angry, aggressive, funky-haired women tend to be single and working at Taco Bell.
 
Near as I can tell, it’s an internet enclave of extremists who whine, blame everything on the opposite sex and invisible boogeymen, and resent their perceived lot in life.

They seem to have almost everything in common with red pillers. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is busy building careers, getting married, and raising kids. Even the most powerful and well known female politicians are wives and mothers.

And that’s what’s so weird. The red pillers are threatened by this idea of a woman that really doesn’t exist en masse. The women at the top tend to lead pretty traditional lives and the stereotypical angry, aggressive, funky-haired women tend to be single and working at Taco Bell.
Not all of us single women are angry, aggressive and have funky hair.

Being single does not mean there is something wrong with you.

Also I don’t hate all men.

Enough with the stereotypes already.

I do admit to being weird and nerdy so that’s probably why I am still single.🙂
 
Not all of us single women are angry, aggressive and have funky hair.

Being single does not mean there is something wrong with you.

Also I don’t hate all men.

Enough with the stereotypes already.

I do admit to being weird and nerdy so that’s probably why I am still single.🙂
What? No. Oh my gosh no. I wasn’t talking about single women fitting this internet feminist stereotype; I was talking about the internet feminist stereotype and how it’s the RP female counterpart and tends to be every bit as powerless (and single). It’s like two warring factions of the internet that seem to have very little to do with the real world, and from what I can tell, you probably aren’t hanging around on rabid “feminist” websites posting silly memes and going on about “fat acceptance”.

As you can tell, I despise pop culture gender theory and wars, which is all this red pill stuff is.

For what it’s worth, I used to have funky hair and piercings. Then like most college kids, I grew up. I have a lot of colorful tattoos though, but you’d never know unless I wanted you to. My brother gave me a piece of advice when I was 18 that I really took to heart: don’t make it hard to get a job or meet a romantic partner’s conservative family. I can wear a sundress or fitted tee and jeans and look totally normal. Still have my nose stud though.🙂
 
What? No. Oh my gosh no. I wasn’t talking about single women fitting this internet feminist stereotype; I was talking about the internet feminist stereotype and how it’s the RP female counterpart and tends to be every bit as powerless (and single). It’s like two warring factions of the internet that seem to have very little to do with the real world, and from what I can tell, you probably aren’t hanging around on rabid “feminist” websites posting silly memes and going on about “fat acceptance”.

As you can tell, I despise pop culture gender theory and wars, which is all this red pill stuff is.

For what it’s worth, I used to have funky hair and piercings. Then like most college kids, I grew up. I have a lot of colorful tattoos though, but you’d never know unless I wanted you to. My brother gave me a piece of advice when I was 18 that I really took to heart: don’t make it hard to get a job or meet a romantic partner’s conservative family. I can wear a sundress or fitted tee and jeans and look totally normal. Still have my nose stud though.🙂
Thanks for the clarification.

🙂
 
Near as I can tell, it’s an internet enclave of extremists who whine, blame everything on the opposite sex and invisible boogeymen, and resent their perceived lot in life.

They seem to have almost everything in common with red pillers. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is busy building careers, getting married, and raising kids. Even the most powerful and well known female politicians are wives and mothers.

And that’s what’s so weird. The red pillers are threatened by this idea of a woman that really doesn’t exist en masse. The women at the top tend to lead pretty traditional lives and the stereotypical angry, aggressive, funky-haired women tend to be single and working at Taco Bell.
Here we sort of agree. Too many people get stuck in the anger phase and never develop beyond it. They tend to be the most vocal members. :doh2: I still remember plenty of the stuff that I said that was over the top. I realized though that while I have absorbed harmful thought patterns from people close to me and from society, the only person who can change that is me. Anger is only useful when channeled as energy. So I started lifting hard, reading, and meditating.
 
Not all of us single women are angry, aggressive and have funky hair.

Being single does not mean there is something wrong with you.

Also I don’t hate all men.

Enough with the stereotypes already.

I do admit to being weird and nerdy so that’s probably why I am still single.🙂
It’s pretty clear that a lot of folks aren’t getting very representative sources.
 
Could someone define exactly what they mean by “radical feminism”? I think what’s bothering a lot of people here is it’s ending up used as an attack on any woman who identifies herself as a feminist - and there are a fair number of women here who identify as feminists.
That’s why I refer to radical feminism as third-wave feminism.

Feminism has to many degrees been a force for good. Today, the men’s rights movement is doing good as well, but they have to be careful not to overcompensate.
 
That’s why I refer to radical feminism as third-wave feminism.

Feminism has to many degrees been a force for good. Today, the men’s rights movement is doing good as well, but they have to be careful not to overcompensate.
I’m lost here. The topic is not feminism but radical feminism. The radicals are pro-abortion and pro-contraception. I recently saw an ad for a new contraceptive and the slogan was “Power up!” Power up to where? Two young ladies were in the ad flexing their arms to show their “Power” - whatever that means. But seriously, this whole obsession with POWER is what radical feminism is all about, power and control. Those in charge know what they’re doing and it’s not helping women.

The message is simple: men are the enemy except when a woman wants one for sex on her terms only. Once, guys looked for the woman of their dreams. Now it’s more like, “Wanna have sex?” “OK.” and then when they find her body in an alley somewhere, the people who know her will only have the following to say to investigators: “Yeah. She hooks up with different guys all the time. I guess she picked wrong this time.”

And guys, it’s not OK to say OK. You have no idea as to what might happen. And ‘it won’t happen to me’ does not follow the law of averages.

Ed
 
I’m lost here. The topic is not feminism but radical feminism. The radicals are pro-abortion and pro-contraception. I recently saw an ad for a new contraceptive and the slogan was “Power up!” Power up to where? Two young ladies were in the ad flexing their arms to show their “Power” - whatever that means. But seriously, this whole obsession with POWER is what radical feminism is all about, power and control. Those in charge know what they’re doing and it’s not helping women.

The message is simple: men are the enemy except when a woman wants one for sex on her terms only. Once, guys looked for the woman of their dreams. Now it’s more like, “Wanna have sex?” “OK.” and then when they find her body in an alley somewhere, the people who know her will only have the following to say to investigators: “Yeah. She hooks up with different guys all the time. I guess she picked wrong this time.”

And guys, it’s not OK to say OK. You have no idea as to what might happen. And ‘it won’t happen to me’ does not follow the law of averages.

Ed
I believe it was kicked off by my question. I was asking what the definition of “radical feminism” was and how it differed from feminism in general, especially as it seems several posters here identify as feminist (and certainly don’t espouse many of the views set out here).
 
I believe it was kicked off by my question. I was asking what the definition of “radical feminism” was and how it differed from feminism in general, especially as it seems several posters here identify as feminist (and certainly don’t espouse many of the views set out here).
Feminists themselves have a different idea of radical feminism.

Generally though, liberal feminism is more about the individual’s right to change something + a message focused on equality (basically the feminism we see from celebrities, tampon commercials…lol). It’s still pro choice and they usually support sex workers.

Radical feminism, on the other hand, has a message focused on freedom. Freedom from men, that is. They are more…passionate about abortion and contraception. They are also the ones that tend to think that marriage is an oppressive tool, they want to abolish the whole concept of gender, blah blah.

The feminism we see today is honestly a mixture of both.

When Christians tend to talk about radical feminists, they usually mean women who try to be better than men. That the only way to raise women up is to bring men down. The people that get triggered over religion. Those people that despise stereotypical femininity etc.
 
Feminists themselves have a different idea of radical feminism.

Generally though, liberal feminism is more about the individual’s right to change something + a message focused on equality (basically the feminism we see from celebrities, tampon commercials…lol). It’s still pro choice and they usually support sex workers.

Radical feminism, on the other hand, has a message focused on freedom. Freedom from men, that is. They are more…passionate about abortion and contraception. They are also the ones that tend to think that marriage is an oppressive tool, they want to abolish the whole concept of gender, blah blah.

The feminism we see today is honestly a mixture of both.

When Christians tend to talk about radical feminists, they usually mean women who try to be better than men. That the only way to raise women up is to bring men down. The people that get triggered over religion. Those people that despise stereotypical femininity etc.
A lot of radical feminists are going to be lonely later in life. I hope that men’s rights folks, who have many good points that are dead on point, don’t make the same mistake the feminist made. I would even like to see radical feminists temper their views. If Laci Green (not the most radical of course) can do it, so can they.

I know that people in the **current **mainstream won’t necessarily have that problem, but there’s a lot of people who have swallowed the identitarian kool-aid and especially for women the clock is ticking.
 
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