The Reformation for Secular Homosexual thinking

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The Reformation was marked by stating that the Church has abandoned the gospel and was apostate…it was for this reason that Calvin, Luther, etc separated from the authority of the Church.

In reverse, the Secular world has been garnered by the LGBT in the likes of the American Psychiatric Association, and all societies supporting their agenda.

We do not have to recognize any authority or writings of these named societies. As is the nature of thought the Reformation has begun…

When the National Associaiton of Social Workers says Gay is Ok…we say no and turn to

cswna.org/
Welcome to the CSWNA Website
Catholic Social Workers National Association is a Professional Membership Association that was formed on the belief that professional associations should support not only your profession, but also your beliefs, values, and your faith. CSWNA has been established for social workers who are faithful to the teachings of the church and are looking for support and direction within their profession based upon church teachings.
Catholic Social Workers National Association affirms and supports the teachings and beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church.
When the American Academy of Pediatrics says our children that are confused should be gay…we say no and turn to…The American College of Pedicatrics

acpeds.org/
Parents have the right to make informed health care decisions for their children based on accurate and unbiased information, as do psychosocially mature adolescents themselves. While sexual attractions may not be consciously chosen, one can choose what to do with these attractions once recognized. No one is “born gay.” Biological and environmental influences may be fostered or foiled. Therefore, SSA is indeed preventable and changeable to varying degrees for many who desire these outcomes.
When the American Pscyhiatric Association changes the DSM for no reason other than political ones and tries to be Fundamentalist in their point of view…their view is not the only view and we turn to The Catholic Pscychotherapy Association.

catholicpsychotherapy.org/
About ten years ago, two psychologists, a mariage and famly therapist and a professional counselor, began meeting together to mutually support each other living out our Catholic faith in our professional work. We prayed the Rosary together, consecrated ourselves to Our Mother of Good Counsel annually at Mass, offered peer supervision for each other, and over time, had other therapistes come to join us.
When the AMA accepts party line of the APA we turn and say no and look to the Catholic Medical Association…

cathmed.org/events/annual_educational_conference/
The Catholic Medical Association is a physician-led community of healthcare professionals that informs, organizes, and inspires its members, in steadfast fidelity to the teachings of the Catholic Church, to uphold the principles of the Catholic faith in the science and practice of medicine.
While their used to be a Catholic Psychological Association, there is none now however there is a Christian Psychological Association that we can turn to when the American Psychological Association accepts the APA party line and say no and turn to the Christian Pscyhological Association…

caps.net/
We exist to encourage…
• Understanding of the relationship between Christianity and the behavioral sciences at both the clinical/counseling and the theoretical/research levels.
• Fellowship among Christians in psychological and related professions.
• The spiritual, emotional and professional well-being of our members.
• Educational and research opportunities that assist the profession and the community at large.
• Through its various programs, CAPS encourages the pursuit of excellence … in the counseling clinic, in the classroom, in the community and in the member’s spiritual and emotional life.
There are differing points of view and the Secular gospel can be rejected in favor of an acceptable alternative view…

Any suggestion that we accept the party line should be met with…NO…we adhere to the above…
 
Just remember that SSA is not inherently a sin. It’s only sinful if they act on it. The Church is completely fine with homosexuals living a chaste life
 
Just remember that SSA is not inherently a sin. It’s only sinful if they act on it. The Church is completely fine with homosexuals living a chaste life
But it is so easy to treat people as others if they are somehow an exception to concupiscence not being sinful.
 
Thank you CopticChristian. While we should respect others, many of those in authority regarding this issue have definitely been telling people either what they want them to hear or leaving out valuable, unbiased information.

We teach our children to respect authority, and some of them trust their instructors or what they read in the news because they have not been given information like what you’ve just provided. All Christians teach their children to not lie and to tell the truth. This leaves some of them sad, hurt and confused when they find out someone, especially an authority, expert or some other person in authority tells them something untrue or only partly true.

Please continue to shine the light of truth on this. Too many of us are affected by getting false or incomplete information 24/7. We are taught to love the whole truth.

Peace,
Ed
 
Just remember that SSA is not inherently a sin. It’s only sinful if they act on it. The Church is completely fine with homosexuals living a chaste life
Correct. It is a disorder. This claim infuriates many who insist that it is NOT a disorder but rather, the equivalent of heterosexual desire and action. I’m old enough to remember when “all we want is to be left alone” was the default position. Now it is ‘homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality and society must recognize this, and further, people who disagree should be called out as bigots and haters.’
 
Correct. It is a disorder. This claim infuriates many who insist that it is NOT a disorder but rather, the equivalent of heterosexual desire and action. I’m old enough to remember when “all we want is to be left alone” was the default position. Now it is ‘homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality and society must recognize this, and further, people who disagree should be called out as bigots and haters.’
I lived through the time period in question. Disorder today, not a disorder tomorrow. And that was the line for all “alternative lifestyles” back then: “We’re grown adults! Just leave us alone!” OK. But that obviously was not the end of the line, was it?

It seems the formula is: just do it, followed by, openly proclaim it in a positive way, followed by, you better accept us because if you don’t it’s only because of hate and bigotry.

As we can see today, the fruit of ‘just leave us alone’ is out campaigning.

Peace,
Ed
 
Just remember that SSA is not inherently a sin. It’s only sinful if they act on it. The Church is completely fine with homosexuals living a chaste life
Rananir,

These societies are not going to necessarily address sin…here is what the American College of Pediatrics say about SSA…
In summary, SSA is determined by a complex interaction between familial and peer influences, unique events, social and biological factors. An attachment deficit, cross-gender behavior, rejection by same-sex peers, sexual abuse, involvement in pornography and sexual experimentation are associated with SSA for many, but do not unilaterally or universally cause it. In other words, not every person who has these experiences will develop SSA, and not every person with SSA will have a history of these experiences. This is likely where biological influences and unrecognized environmental or societal factors play a role. (1, 2, 13-16) What the current political climate ignores is that the last forty years of data proves only a small biological contribution and a significant degree of sexual fluidity.
 
Thank you CopticChristian. While we should respect others, many of those in authority regarding this issue have definitely been telling people either what they want them to hear or leaving out valuable, unbiased information.

We teach our children to respect authority, and some of them trust their instructors or what they read in the news because they have not been given information like what you’ve just provided. All Christians teach their children to not lie and to tell the truth. This leaves some of them sad, hurt and confused when they find out someone, especially an authority, expert or some other person in authority tells them something untrue or only partly true.

Please continue to shine the light of truth on this. Too many of us are affected by getting false or incomplete information 24/7. We are taught to love the whole truth.

Peace,
Ed
Ed,

I believe we need to ask any LGBT supporter that bears the moniker

Christian
Anglican
Methodist
Born Again

or whatever Christian stripe the following question…

Do you accept the teaching authority of the Catholic Church as a Christian?

Do you accept the Protocanonicals as the Word of God as opposed to the Catholic Bible with the Deuterocanonicals?

No to any of those questions allows you to say…

Well then…

I do not accept the opinions of the American Psychiatric Association, The American Medical Association, The National Association of Social Workers or any society or professional organization that accepts the LGBT agenda…

I accept the DSM I, DSM II and DSM III…I do not accept the DSM IV or V…and if asked why, because you believe that they are false teachings based on a political point of view and there is no obligation to accept them.

If there is any question…then ask when it will be that they accept the teaching authority of the Church or the acceptance of the Deuterocanonicals…

Revealed truths vs Politicized progpaganda…
 
Ed,

I believe we need to ask any LGBT supporter that bears the moniker

Christian
Anglican
Methodist
Born Again

or whatever Christian stripe the following question…

Do you accept the teaching authority of the Catholic Church as a Christian?

Do you accept the Protocanonicals as the Word of God as opposed to the Catholic Bible with the Deuterocanonicals?

No to any of those questions allows you to say…

Well then…

I do not accept the opinions of the American Psychiatric Association, The American Medical Association, The National Association of Social Workers or any society or professional organization that accepts the LGBT agenda…

I accept the DSM I, DSM II and DSM III…I do not accept the DSM IV or V…and if asked why, because you believe that they are false teachings based on a political point of view and there is no obligation to accept them.

If there is any question…then ask when it will be that they accept the teaching authority of the Church or the acceptance of the Deuterocanonicals…

Revealed truths vs Politicized progpaganda…
Well, the Reformation needs a voice. And the constant refrain from the LGBT Lobby is the APA says it’s OK. How do you think this group is allowed to adopt kids? It ends up in court:

"The decision quoted extensively from the lower court ruling where the lower court determined the following based upon the APA’s brief:

"Being raised by gay parents does not increase the risk of problems in adjustment for children.

"Being raised by gay parents does not risk increase the risk of psychological problems for children.

"Being raised by gay parents does not cause academic problems.

"Being raised by gay parents does not cause gender identity problems.

"Children of lesbian or gay parents are equivalently adjusted to children of heterosexual children.

"There is no factual evidence that gay people, as a group, are more likely to engage in domestic violence than heterosexuals.

"There is no evidence that gay people as a group, are more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexuals.

"Based upon this information–and not having access to Dr. Rekers’ complete research, the Court asserted: “These facts demonstrate that there is no correlation between the health, welfare, and safety of foster children and the blanket exclusion of any individual who is a homosexual or who resides in a household with a homosexual.”

Courts base their decisions on what the APA claims and count it as evidence. And that’s just one example.

Peace,
Ed
 
Well, the Reformation needs a voice. And the constant refrain from the LGBT Lobby is the APA says it’s OK. How do you think this group is allowed to adopt kids? It ends up in court:

"The decision quoted extensively from the lower court ruling where the lower court determined the following based upon the APA’s brief:

"Being raised by gay parents does not increase the risk of problems in adjustment for children.

"Being raised by gay parents does not risk increase the risk of psychological problems for children.

"Being raised by gay parents does not cause academic problems.

"Being raised by gay parents does not cause gender identity problems.

"Children of lesbian or gay parents are equivalently adjusted to children of heterosexual children.

"There is no factual evidence that gay people, as a group, are more likely to engage in domestic violence than heterosexuals.

"There is no evidence that gay people as a group, are more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexuals.

"Based upon this information–and not having access to Dr. Rekers’ complete research, the Court asserted: “These facts demonstrate that there is no correlation between the health, welfare, and safety of foster children and the blanket exclusion of any individual who is a homosexual or who resides in a household with a homosexual.”

Courts base their decisions on what the APA claims and count it as evidence. And that’s just one example.

Peace,
Ed
Ed,

There is always a court of appeals and when SB-1172 is defeated that voice should get louder.
 
I agree. Don’t back down. Don’t let them deprive us of our religious liberty. They are treating the first amendment like the second.

Their secular, flawed scientific beliefs are creeping into employment matters as well as the matters of health providers.

This is serious stuff.

They have already taken over our newspapers and news channels.
 
I agree. Don’t back down. Don’t let them deprive us of our religious liberty. They are treating the first amendment like the second.

Their secular, flawed scientific beliefs are creeping into employment matters as well as the matters of health providers.

This is serious stuff.

They have already taken over our newspapers and news channels.
Tee,

SB-1172 will be defeated for that very reason…

Laws protect a view point
Ethics demand this bill be defeated

Interestingly those that are HIV/Marijuana advocates paved the way for the defeat of SB-1172…

What they have, they will lose, they have shown their colors and while potentialy representing less than 10% of the population…their agenda to regulate thinking of the majority is becoming crystal clear…

Taking over the APA that in the future will be a ho hum…what happened to them?

Trying to compel the government to silence therapists will be…Wow can you believe these guys.

More to come…
 
Grace & Peace!
Ed,

I believe we need to ask any LGBT supporter that bears the moniker

Christian
Anglican
Methodist
Born Again

or whatever Christian stripe the following question…

Do you accept the teaching authority of the Catholic Church as a Christian?

Do you accept the Protocanonicals as the Word of God as opposed to the Catholic Bible with the Deuterocanonicals?

No to any of those questions allows you to say…

Well then…

I do not accept the opinions of the American Psychiatric Association, The American Medical Association, The National Association of Social Workers or any society or professional organization that accepts the LGBT agenda…

I accept the DSM I, DSM II and DSM III…I do not accept the DSM IV or V…and if asked why, because you believe that they are false teachings based on a political point of view and there is no obligation to accept them.

If there is any question…then ask when it will be that they accept the teaching authority of the Church or the acceptance of the Deuterocanonicals…

Revealed truths vs Politicized progpaganda…
Coptic, it seems that what you’re saying in this post is that what all of this comes down to is a question of authority. And authority may play a part here. But the way that you’re presenting your point, at least in this post, suggests that the sort of authority the APA has and the sort of authority the Catholic Church has are part of the same spectrum of authority but are, perhaps, on different ends of it. But what that sort of rhetoric does is misconstrue the nature of the Church’s authority as well as the nature of the APA’s authority (such as it is).

I.e., by evaluating the APA’s authority, findings and opinions in terms of (as opposed to in the light of) the Catholic Church’s authoritative teachings on faith and morality, you simultaneously conflate the APA’s authority and diminish the Church’s authority by suggesting that the terms by which you understand the one or the other are interchangeable…and then you fault the APA for not being the Church. In sum, you’re not letting the Church be the Church and the APA be the APA. (And, to be honest, I fear that this is all a function of a kind of relativism to which you’ve fallen prey–you believe what you do with regard to homosexuality, the Church does not expressly oppose it, but the APA does…so what’s really under debate here is neither the Church’s nor the APA’s authority…but yours.)

Your rhetoric is further complicated by your acceptance of DSM I, II and III. Why recognize III and not IV? On what basis was the scientific authority of the APA in compiling DSM III compromised when they compiled DSM IV? Is it just on the basis of their shift in an understanding of homosexuality? And how does the refusal to classify homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder go against the authority of the Church, particularly when the church in its catechism does not classify it as a psychiatric disorder either?

Moreover, is it not to be expected that in both medicine and psychiatry that various understandings of disorders, diseases and behaviors will change given experiential and experimental evidence which warrants change be made? Isn’t it on the quality of that evidence and the quality of its evaluation that scientific authority is determined? Would you argue that DSM V is entirely unacceptable on scientific terms when you disagree on moral terms with what does not appear in it?

Furthermore, is not an authoritative scientific approach substantially different from the way the Church authoritatively views and teaches doctrine and dogma? And isn’t that okay? Should the sciences cease experimenting and observing because the Roman Catholic Church will not alter it’s doctrine and dogma? No! Should the Church change what is unchangeable because the sciences are constantly changing and refining our understanding of ourselves and the world around us? No! But can the findings and opinions of scientific and/or medical authorities be integrated into a faithful Catholic understanding of the human adventure? Of course!

So what’s the big deal?

I know you (and others) allege that the APA and similar organizations were over-run with homosexual activists, leading to a shift in their respective organization’s understandings of homosexuality. But in terms of the simple fact of same-sex attraction, it does not appear as if same-sex attracted people are any more psychiatrically impaired then opposite-sex attracted people from leading healthy human lives by virtue of the nature of their sexual attractions. If same-sex attraction (i.e., homosexuality in its most basic or fundamental sense) should be seen in the same light as obsessive compulsive disorder or some other psychiatric disorder, then I’m afraid that what’s really at issue here is: what constitutes a true psychiatric disorder? And I don’t think the Church will be weighing in on that any time soon.

(By the by, I, as an Anglican, believe that the Deuterocanonicals are fully the Word of God. But naturally, if I fully accepted the teaching authority of the Roman Catholic Church in the same way that Roman Catholics do, then I wouldn’t be Anglican…)

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
Grace & Peace!

Coptic, it seems that what you’re saying in this post is that what all of this comes down to is a question of authority. And authority may play a part here. But the way that you’re presenting your point, at least in this post, suggests that the sort of authority the APA has and the sort of authority the Catholic Church has are part of the same spectrum of authority but are, perhaps, on different ends of it. But what that sort of rhetoric does is misconstrue the nature of the Church’s authority as well as the nature of the APA’s authority (such as it is).

I.e., by evaluating the APA’s authority, findings and opinions in terms of (as opposed to in the light of) the Catholic Church’s authoritative teachings on faith and morality, you simultaneously conflate the APA’s authority and diminish the Church’s authority by suggesting that the terms by which you understand the one or the other are interchangeable…and then you fault the APA for not being the Church. In sum, you’re not letting the Church be the Church and the APA be the APA. (And, to be honest, I fear that this is all a function of a kind of relativism to which you’ve fallen prey–you believe what you do with regard to homosexuality, the Church does not expressly oppose it, but the APA does…so what’s really under debate here is neither the Church’s nor the APA’s authority…but yours.)

Your rhetoric is further complicated by your acceptance of DSM I, II and III. Why recognize III and not IV? On what basis was the scientific authority of the APA in compiling DSM III compromised when they compiled DSM IV? Is it just on the basis of their shift in an understanding of homosexuality? And how does the refusal to classify homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder go against the authority of the Church, particularly when the church in its catechism does not classify it as a psychiatric disorder either?

Moreover, is it not to be expected that in both medicine and psychiatry that various understandings of disorders, diseases and behaviors will change given experiential and experimental evidence which warrants change be made? Isn’t it on the quality of that evidence and the quality of its evaluation that scientific authority is determined? Would you argue that DSM V is entirely unacceptable on scientific terms when you disagree on moral terms with what does not appear in it?

Furthermore, is not an authoritative scientific approach substantially different from the way the Church authoritatively views and teaches doctrine and dogma? And isn’t that okay? Should the sciences cease experimenting and observing because the Roman Catholic Church will not alter it’s doctrine and dogma? No! Should the Church change what is unchangeable because the sciences are constantly changing and refining our understanding of ourselves and the world around us? No! But can the findings and opinions of scientific and/or medical authorities be integrated into a faithful Catholic understanding of the human adventure? Of course!

So what’s the big deal?

I know you (and others) allege that the APA and similar organizations were over-run with homosexual activists, leading to a shift in their respective organization’s understandings of homosexuality. But in terms of the simple fact of same-sex attraction, it does not appear as if same-sex attracted people are any more psychiatrically impaired then opposite-sex attracted people from leading healthy human lives by virtue of the nature of their sexual attractions. If same-sex attraction (i.e., homosexuality in its most basic or fundamental sense) should be seen in the same light as obsessive compulsive disorder or some other psychiatric disorder, then I’m afraid that what’s really at issue here is: what constitutes a true psychiatric disorder? And I don’t think the Church will be weighing in on that any time soon.

(By the by, I, as an Anglican, believe that the Deuterocanonicals are fully the Word of God. But naturally, if I fully accepted the teaching authority of the Roman Catholic Church in the same way that Roman Catholics do, then I wouldn’t be Anglican…)

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
Mark,

Too many words.

You accept the DC. You are 1/2 way there.

The Reformation as it regards the Church is secular thinking in my opinion, since as I believe, as do many, they were not on a mission from God. This equates to secular thinking aborts revealed truth.

Secular thinking as it regards the APA as no authority in reality yet the paradigm of differing points of view equates to a reformation of thought since view points are protected by law and as soon as SB-1172 is defeated then there will be…

APA point of view
Alternate points of view

will be on equal footing and then the Reformation continues in the regard that those that deviate from the Political agenda will and should grow in the same reality that Protestant thought remains separate from the Church. The difference is that in this Reformation those that differ with the APA should not fragment as Protestant thought has fragmented.

Maybe I used too many words?
 
Here’s the fundamental point…

The Bill of Rights was created to preserve the rights of the minority by protecting them from the majority.

Government can not dictate healthcare based on the above premise. They also can not take away our conscience rights.
 
The APA is nothing more than a political organisation. It’s time for you healthcare workers to get involved and use the power of dissent or gain more sway some other way.
 
Grace & Peace!
Too many words.
The point is, though, that before you reply as if you’re replying to what is written, you should actually read the words that were written. That’s how text-based communication works.

The Reformation and the working out of the scientific method within various fields (including psychiatry) are two qualitatively different things and cannot be properly understood if you believe the terms by which you understand the one or the other are fundamentally interchangeable.

The Church is not the APA. The APA is not the Church. And that’s okay.

Read what I wrote, then we can discuss.

Thanks.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
Grace & Peace!

The point is, though, that before you reply as if you’re replying to what is written, you should actually read the words that were written. That’s how text-based communication works.

The Reformation and the working out of the scientific method within various fields (including psychiatry) are two qualitatively different things and cannot be properly understood if you believe the terms by which you understand the one or the other are fundamentally interchangeable.

The Church is not the APA. The APA is not the Church. And that’s okay.

Read what I wrote, then we can discuss.

Thanks.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
When mandated healthcare interferes with religious rights, we have a constitutional issue.

Have you heard of faith healing?

So yes, overlap exists, whether a particular association wants to believe it or not believe it.

That principle includes associations, corporations, corporate employees, partnerships, partners, and individuals.
 
Grace & Peace!
When mandated healthcare interferes with religious rights, we have a constitutional issue.

Have you heard of faith healing?

So yes, overlap exists, whether a particular association wants to believe it or not believe it.

That principle includes associations, corporations, corporate employees, partnerships, partners, and individuals.
I’m not arguing whether or not certain interests overlap: that can certainly happen. When they do overlap, though, are we to understand that the interests of religion exist on the same sort of moral spectrum as the interests of a medical or scientific association? Are we to understand that we can comprehend the APA by thinking of it as if it were the Church and the Church as if it were the APA? I think we’d be doing both the Church and the APA an injustice if we did that.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
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