The Right is Wrong

[StratusRose]

adstrinity:

Oh, oh, I get it. This thread was moved from the JW sub-folder, right?

“inspired ya right” Is this supposed to read, “Inspired ya, right?”, meaning this is inspiring or, “Inspired? Yeah right!” as in you do not believe that the Bible is inspired? I could not tell with your lack of capititalization, spelling, and grammar.

HAHAHA! You’re awesome.

 

[StratusRose]

apfire:

Yes some of the info was taken from a website with permission from the owner of that site, Religion has and is causing many of the worlds problerms. The bible is not the word of god, but of man, inspired ya right.

When people justify killing and other atrocities in the name of God then they are using their religion as a crutch. The religion is not to blame, it’s the people who misuse it’s purpose and twist the words of God’s inspired word. Do you think that nuns living in impoverished countries who stay true to the true tenants of the Catholic Church are causing problems in the world? That’s a pretty hefty blanket statement you made. I think atheists have a problem with religion because it lays down rules on how we should live. It’s a problem with authority.

Can you prove that the Bible is not inspired by God?

 

[adstrinity]

StratusRose:

HAHAHA! You’re awesome.

I don’t know if this is sarcasm or for real, but, I thank you, either way!!! I wish I really were (awesome, that is, not thanking you, which I really am).

 

[apfire]

I am not justifying abortion, I do not believe in abortion either. I do believe that people have a right to choose their own destiny and that I do not have the right to force my values on others, nor should others have the right to force their values on me. Every situation is different for different people. The issue should lie between God and that person. Thank you, Deo Volente for your informative blog, good one.

Wow, in reading the responses to my blog and hearing supposed religious people telling me to kill myself now isn’t that inspirational. Boy for this being a religious site I can really feel the hatred and anger when someone goes against the grain.

 

[StratusRose]

adstrinity:

I don’t know if this is sarcasm or for real, but, I thank you, either way!!! I wish I really were (awesome, that is, not thanking you, which I really am).

Heck no! I was being serious!

 

[buffalo]

apfire:

I am not justifying abortion, I do not believe in abortion either. I do believe that people have a right to choose their own destiny and that I do not have the right to force my values on others, nor should others have the right to force their values on me. Every situation is different for different people. The issue should lie between God and that person. Thank you, Deo Volente for your informative blog, good one.

Wow, in reading the responses to my blog and hearing supposed religious people telling me to kill myself now isn’t that inspirational. Boy for this being a religious site I can really feel the hatred and anger when someone goes against the grain.

You are referring to my comment. It was a point taken out of context that you obviously didn’t get. (notice the :banghead Nice try with the comeback though. Sort of supports what atheists try to do on these boards all the time.

 

[buffalo]

apfire:

I am not justifying abortion, I do not believe in abortion either. I do believe that people have a right to choose their own destiny and that I do not have the right to force my values on others, nor should others have the right to force their values on me. Every situation is different for different people. The issue should lie between God and that person. Thank you, Deo Volente for your informative blog, good one.

Wow, in reading the responses to my blog and hearing supposed religious people telling me to kill myself now isn’t that inspirational. Boy for this being a religious site I can really feel the hatred and anger when someone goes against the grain.

I noticed in your profile you are ateist, but you site it should be between God and the person?

And then - each situation is different - you can find much on moral relativism on these boards.Enjoy!

 

[StratusRose]

I am not justifying abortion, I do not believe in abortion either. I do believe that people have a right to choose their own destiny

If this were true, then unborn babies would be able to choose their own destiny, but they are robbed of this right. My destiny does not lie in killing people. That is against the law of God and the law of our nation. (supposedly)

and that I do not have the right to force my values on others, nor should others have the right to force their values on me.

Since when is not killing someone a value? Respecting life is a value that everyone should embrace.

Every situation is different for different people. The issue should lie between God and that person. Thank you, Deo Volente for your informative blog, good one.

The moral relativism is really shining through here…Granted, it should lie between God and that person. (I thought you were an atheist? ) However, it is NEVER ok to kill someone because they are an inconvenience. One who does this cough Michael Schiavo cough is taking away the dignity of that person’s life. It is not up to us to decide who is worthy to live and who isn’t. This was Hitler’s M.O…killing undesirable people.

Wow, in reading the responses to my blog and hearing supposed religious people telling me to kill myself now isn’t that inspirational.

Who told you to kill yourself? I certainly don’t want you to die. I hope you stay around long enough to welcome God in your life and all the blessings he has to offer!

Boy for this being a religious site I can really feel the hatred and anger when someone goes against the grain.

Don’t confuse hatred and anger with the desire to get the truth across with extreme conviction. The people who post here speak very strongly about what they believe in and why the other side is deceptive. We do not judge you, but we certainly do not find merit in what you believe in.

 

[Brad]

apfire:

Yes some of the info was taken from a website with permission from the owner of that site, Religion has and is causing many of the worlds problerms. The bible is not the word of god, but of man, inspired ya right.

So are you using the Bible to support your arguments or not? What is your justification for killing babies?

 

[Brad]

apfire:

I am not justifying abortion, I do not believe in abortion either. I do believe that people have a right to choose their own destiny and that I do not have the right to force my values on others, nor should others have the right to force their values on me. Every situation is different for different people. The issue should lie between God and that person. Thank you, Deo Volente for your informative blog, good one.

Wow, in reading the responses to my blog and hearing supposed religious people telling me to kill myself now isn’t that inspirational. Boy for this being a religious site I can really feel the hatred and anger when someone goes against the grain.

Hatred? How do you know they have hate? Are you making a moral judgement? Don’t they have the right to choose their own emotion without your assessment of it? Isn’t it between them and God?

 

[buffalo]

Brad:

Hatred? How do you know they have hate? Are you making a moral judgement? Don’t they have the right to choose their own emotion without your assessment of it? Isn’t it between them and God?

Brad!!!

 

[carol_marie]

apfire,
Since you are new to the forums and an atheist, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you’ve been living in a cave your whole life and didn’t know that starting a new post about the benefits of abortion on a CATHOLIC website might not be the smartest thing.

As Catholics we believe that ALL LIFE - even yours should be protected. We believe that we (and you too) were created in the image of God and that killing anyone - for any reason is a sin. We don’t believe that the value of anyone’s life should be based on whether someone wants them - how beneficial they are to society or how young or old they are. We believe that God gives life and only He has the right to take it away.

So there you go. That’s the Catholic 101 Lesson on the subject.
Your welcome. Anything else we can help you with, just let us know.

CM

 

[MariaGorettiGrl]

I am not justifying abortion, I do not believe in abortion either. I do believe that people have a right to choose their own destiny and that I do not have the right to force my values on others, nor should others have the right to force their values on me. Every situation is different for different people. The issue should lie between God and that person.

Unfortunately, I do believe in abortion. It is a very real and terrible occurance of legalized murder that horrifies me.

And to say that you are not justifying abortion is, frankly, absured. Don’t take this as hatred or anger. I can tell you are offended easily, so I will tread carefully.

By you saying that people have the right to kill the babies that they made, you are in fact trying (unsuccessfully) to justify abortion.

Look at it this way: If someone breaks into your house and tries to kill you, you wouldn’t say, “Well, I don’t want to die, but I don’t want to force my morals onto this person. If he wants to kill me, that’s between him and God.” Naturally, you would fight back.

Now what if you were disabled so that you could not successfully fight back? What if there was a neighbor who happened to walk by your house and see you in trouble? Should he say, “I don’t want to force my morals onto anybody!”? Of course not. He should defend your life because you can’t. At the very least, I’m sure you’d expect him to call the police.

Now you have a friend who tells you she is going to have an abortion. The baby can’t defend itself, but you can defend the baby. Forgetting God, forgetting morals, forgetting religion, it comes down to do you close your eyes and walk away while your disabled neighbor gets killed?

Spending your life walking away with your eyeshut makes for a very sorry life. But I have to say, at least you got the chance to live yours, wasted as you may chose to make it. Clearly someone loved you enough to let you live. Couldn’t you return the favor?

 

[MariaGorettiGrl]

I do not have the right to force my values on others

By the way, apfire, I won’t tell anybody that you’re trying to force your athiest, pro-murder values on all us Catholic, pro-lifers. Your secret is safe with me!

 

[Genesis315]

apfire:

I am not justifying abortion,

Yes you are.

I do not believe in abortion either.

Doesn’t sound like it.

I do believe that people have a right to choose their own destiny and that I do not have the right to force my values on others, nor should others have the right to force their values on me.

Then why are you not letting the babies killed by abortion choose their own destiny. Why are you forcing your values on them (thinking abortion is a right is a “value”).

Every situation is different for different people. The issue should lie between God and that person. Thank you, Deo Volente for your informative blog, good one.

The situation is the same for the children in the womb getting scissors shoved in their skulls.

Boy for this being a religious site I can really feel the hatred and anger when someone goes against the grain

You don’t know what true love is. Love is not saying do and believe whaetever you feel like. On the other hand, correction of error is an example of an act of love. When you make outlandish, illogical, and immoral statements, be ready for a swift correction from loving people. People who couldn’t care less will let you continue blindly down your destructive path.

 

[Lalia_Mackay]

Since the charity level of this thread is deteriorating; it is now closed. Thank you for all who participated in this discussion.