The Role of the Papacy - Can Catholics Agree?

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The Pope should have authority on Church-wide issues, like ordaining women or the stance on contraceptives.

The Pope should not have authority on matters specific to a particular Church, such as the Liturgy, and any traditions that is local to a Church.
 
The Pope should have authority on Church-wide issues, like ordaining women or the stance on contraceptives.

The Pope should not have authority on matters specific to a particular Church, such as the Liturgy, and any traditions that is local to a Church. Also appointment of Bishops.
 
Role of Papacy/Pope

Here are some answers from the net

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Christ is our King and ruler of the Kingdom of Heaven. Being one of the apostles, Peter was subject to the same priveleges and obligations as the other apostles. Bishops are the equivalent in today’s Catholic Church.
However in Scripture Jesus promised that He would build His Church on Peter and He gave the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter alone. “You are Peter and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.” (Matthew Ch 16)
Taking this at face value the role/purpose of St Peter and his successors is to ensure access to the benefits of the Kingdom of Heaven for those authorised to receive them and this is supported by the instruction “feed my lambs”, “feed my sheep”. In order to maintain legal harmony between heaven and earth this passage of St Matthew’s Gospel also provides that whatever he binds or looses on earth, apparently in the execution of this duty, will also be bound or loosed in heaven.

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He is the spiritual leader of the Catholic Church,He continues the role St. Peter instituted after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ,who Instructed Peter in the establishment of His Church on earth.Peter then handed down this authority from Pope to Pope until the present day.
He is the head of the Catholic church and has the final say on everything pertaining thereto.
 
Thanks for all these posts - most welcome and appreciated.

I’m wondering, however, how practicing Catholics themselves would explain terms like universal jursidiction and supremacy, and how we the faithful reconcile these understandings with official pronouncements of the Church. These are the terms and concepts that seem most controversial in the context of dialogue with other Apostolic Churches with whom we seek reconciliation, so a common understaning seems critical in that context.

In my OP, I suggested we start with some of the documents and declarations from [relatively] recent Church history, but we may start here if helpful.

The perspective of both Latin and Eastern Catholics is important.

I’m hopeful we may come to a grounded consensus among praticing Catholics first, as a basis for further discussion with members of other faith communities, in particular, other Apostolic Churches.
 
P.S. I will likely continue to post quotes from our post-Vatican II Pontiffs on the nature of the Papacy, as they reflect the understanding of the very individuals entrusted with this great responsibility. IMO this is an important context in which to explore these questions (via reflection on that which is written in the hearts of these holy men).
 
I like this quote. 👍

"Unspontaneity is of their essence. In these rites I discover that something is approaching me here that I did not produce myself, that I am entering into something greater than myself, which ultimately derives from divine revelation. This is why the Christian East calls the liturgy the “Divine Liturgy”, expressing thereby the liturgy’s independence from human control.”

Pope Benedict XVI
 
“I am only infallible if I speak infallibly but I shall never do that, so I am not infallible.”

Blessed Pope John XXIII
 
Off topic question.

Does anyone have any idea why anethema sit was banned?

I went through two pages of her recent posts, and saw nothing offensive.
 
andrewstx said:
Off topic question.

Does anyone have any idea why anethema sit was banned?

I went through two pages of her recent posts, and saw nothing offensive.
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Last post stated: “I newly registered as Anathema Sit because I do not remember what my older registration is.”

I believe that is a rule violation, one must have only one registration.
 
I dont exactly understnad that, since I am a stroke patient. But rules apparently are rules. why didn’t she unregisterand then register again or ask for help?
 
andrewstx said:
I dont exactly understnad that, since I am a stroke patient. But rules apparently are rules. why didn’t she unregisterand then register again or ask for help?
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I think I am wrong about the multiple handles, I found this:

“Yes, we allow users to have more than one account, but for legitimate purposes only.
Members are not allowed to use additional accounts to bypass a suspension or ban.
Members are not allowed to use additional accounts as “sock puppets” to extend discussions or create artificial controversy. Also, attachment “limits” were recently changed, so you may be able to add additional attachments via your main account.”

But also this the the user name cannot be offensive. Perhaps Anathema Sit is considered offensive?
 
If I remember correctly we are not supposed to discuss moderators decisions.

But I will make a general note (theoretically applicable to anyone) that problematic posts are sometimes deleted (so we may be unaware of them) and people can violate in other ways, such as sending PM’s through the system that are inappropriate or inflamatory.
 
Hesychios said:
If I remember correctly we are not supposed to discuss moderators decisions.

But I will make a general note (theoretically applicable to anyone) that problematic posts are sometimes deleted (so we may be unaware of them) and people can violate in other ways, such as sending PM’s through the system that are inappropriate or inflamatory.
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Hesychios. This has nothing to do with your comment. I just really like your picture. Sorry. Continue.
 
Prayer of Blessed Pope John Paul II at the Commencement of his Pontificate
*The new successor of Peter in the see of Rome, today makes a fervent, humble, and trusting prayer: Christ, make me become and remain the servant of Your unique power, the servant of Your sweet power, the servant of Your power that knows no eventide. Make me be a servant. Indeed, the servant of Your servants. *
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[Source: L’Osservatore Romano, 11-2-78]
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Is it such a big issue for Rome if the Pope will say that he has no direct authority in Eastern Churches? I think what worries the Orthodox is the wording that the Pope has immediate and ordinary power in all Churches (for all meanings of the word Church). Oversight authority is good and appropriate, but ordinary authority does seem a bit much especially for Eastern Churches. I know that the Pope is not an evil dictator and will not abuse his power, but we have had anti-Popes before.
 
A Father may want to be a fatherfigure in his sons life,but if the relationship is severed what can you do?

they need to reconcile
 
ConstantineTG said:
Is it such a big issue for Rome if the Pope will say that he has no direct authority in Eastern Churches? I think what worries the Orthodox is the wording that the Pope has immediate and ordinary power in all Churches (for all meanings of the word Church). Oversight authority is good and appropriate, but ordinary authority does seem a bit much especially for Eastern Churches. I know that the Pope is not an evil dictator and will not abuse his power, but we have had anti-Popes before.
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The problem is lack of acceptance of the Roman Bishop as Vicar of Christ, by the Orthodox. There has been a statement the the current law of the eastern churches will not be acceptable to them. So it is an important issue.

CCEO Canon 78
  1. The power which, according to the norm of the canons and legitimate customs, the patriarch has over bishops and other Christian faithful of the Church over which he presides is ordinary and proper, but personal. Thus, the patriarch cannot constitute a vicar for the entire patriarchal Church nor can he delegate his power to someone for all cases.
  2. The power of the patriarch is exercised validly only inside the territorial boundaries of the patriarchal Church unless the nature of the matter or the common or particular law approved by the Roman Pontiff establishes otherwise.
 
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