The Roman Catholic Controversy

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Does anyone know where I can find this, I’m guessing, terrible book on Roman Catholicism by James White. Someone brought it up in another forum and told me it has never been refuted by a Catholic apologist. I don’t have the money to pay for it so I was wondering if there were any free chapters so I could at least show what is wrong in a single chapter. If someone has already refuted it, I can’t find anything on it on this forum or website so I would love links to refutes. Thanks and God bless

Jeff
 
…by James White
amazon.com/Roman-Catholic-Controversy-James-White/dp/1556618190

The online reviews at amazon.com pretty much echo my own attitude toward the book, both pro and con, both Catholic and Protestant.

If no Catholic has refuted it specifically, as a book in and of itself, then it’s probably because the content has already been addressed elsewhere … or, after reading it, most people realize it would be a waste of time. Or, it could also be that there are better books out there that take the same position as White and do a better job. Geisler’s work is on the whole better in my opinion than White’s, although White is more popular. I recommend White’s debates with Catholics, audio files of which can be found online all over the place - he is sharp and clever and it’s a fun listening experience for the whole family (LOL).

Don’t buy this book new. Find a used copy online somewhere for $0.99 and just pay shipping. Or, just ignore it. Books like this come up like mushrooms from time to time, and this one was part of the wave of Protestant anti-Catholic apologetics that rose up in the wake of the Evangelicals And Catholics Together statement a few years back, and, of course, the first edition of the CCC right about the same time.
 
Don’t buy this book new. Find a used copy online somewhere for $0.99 and just pay shipping. Or, just ignore it. Books like this come up like mushrooms from time to time, and this one was part of the wave of Protestant anti-Catholic apologetics that rose up in the wake of the Evangelicals And Catholics Together statement a few years back, and, of course, the first edition of the CCC right about the same time.
Agree. If you buy it new, you’re feeding the troll.

As for refutations specifically aimed at White’s book, clever Googling turned up these:

Sola Scriptura
Justification
 
Thanks guys. I pretty much told the person exactly the same thing and they keep pressing the issue. It’s most likely not worth the time but I feel the person deserves an answer. Thanks for the sources and everything. You guys are awesome!
 
Oops, another James White thread I can’t let pass by…

The book (The Roman Catholic Controversy, 1996) has been dealt with in here, since White’s arguments from the book have been addressed. Basically the book is a re-statement of White’s opening statements and some of his rebuttals from his formal debates pre-1996, e.g. Justification debate with Pacwa from 1991, Papacy debate 1993 with Matatics, various debates with Robert Fastiggi from 1994, sola scriptura debates with several apologists, Marian debates from mid 1990s, etc. If you listen to his debates pre-1996, you have heard (read) virtually the entire book.

The “fallible knowledge” argument is a re-statement of anti-Catholic Anglican George Salmon’s “you must be infallible yourself to know the Church is infallible” answered by Cardinal Newman long ago. A distinction needs to be made between certainty (or Newman’s “certitude”), infallibility, and faith. You can be certain 2+2 = 4 even though you may make mistakes in large addition sums. See B.C. Butler’s reply to Salmon’s argument here. It is very good.

Also the book by (convert) Henry Graham What Faith Really Means deals with "private judgment". It was also addressed by Phil Blosser in a chapter in Sungenis Not By Faith Alone on the philosophical / practical problems with sola scriptura.

An early exchange I had on the book from my FidoNet days (1996 just when the book came out) is here on my site. White contributed, and I let them have the last say, but I made some good points.

Many of White’s objections to the Papacy have been addressed in numerous threads. You can do a search for White and Papacy, etc. I’ve listed all the past threads dealing with White several times.

As I’ve also mentioned, this stuff was dealt with in a lot more depth by the old Catholic vs. Anglican controversialists from the late 19th, early 20th century. Check out these pdfs for real “controversy” : White’s stuff is fluff in comparison

The Pope and the Council (pdf) by “Janus” (von Dollinger)
Anti-Janus: A Reply to "The Pope and the Council" (pdf) by Hergenrother

Plain Reasons Against Joining the Church of Rome (pdf) by Littledale
Catholic Controversy: A Reply to "Plain Reasons" (pdf) by Ryder

St. Peter: His Name and His Office (pdf) by Thomas W. Allies

The Primitive Church and the See of Peter (pdf) by Luke Rivington
also HTML version (someday)

Bishop Gore and the Catholic Claims (pdf) by Dom John Chapman
also Studies on the Early Papacy (HTML)

Phil P
 
Thank Phil that helps a ton! I searched James White and nothing came up. Then I searched The Roman Catholic Controversy and it didn’t come up so I gave up. Thanks so much for all the links. God bless
 
Thanks MarcoPolo,

I’ve been refuting this guy for a while, I just haven’t been able to read the book, to refute it specifically. Thanks for the thread. I do find it amusing that they really do say that he has never been refuted before when White doesn’t make any new points. Everything has already been refuted by the Church at some point or another.

God bless

Jeff
 
I do find it amusing that they really do say that he has never been refuted before when White doesn’t make any new points. Everything has already been refuted by the Church at some point or another.
Yeah, but as long as I don’t accept the refutation then I haven’t been refuted.

I to shall never be refuted.

Cause…well…I said so…so there…😃

Chuck
 
Does anyone know where I can find this, I’m guessing, terrible book on Roman Catholicism by James White. Someone brought it up in another forum and told me it has never been refuted by a Catholic apologist. I don’t have the money to pay for it so I was wondering if there were any free chapters so I could at least show what is wrong in a single chapter. If someone has already refuted it, I can’t find anything on it on this forum or website so I would love links to refutes. Thanks and God bless

Jeff
try a Similar title. you can read online
goodcatholicbooks.org/francis/catholic-controversy.html

by St Francis de Sales :cool:
 
You guys are awesome! I have a lot of reading to do now. Thank you all so much
 
Does anyone know where I can find this, I’m guessing, terrible book on Roman Catholicism by James White. Someone brought it up in another forum and told me it has never been refuted by a Catholic apologist. I don’t have the money to pay for it so I was wondering if there were any free chapters so I could at least show what is wrong in a single chapter. If someone has already refuted it, I can’t find anything on it on this forum or website so I would love links to refutes. Thanks and God bless

Jeff
The interesting thing to me about James White is that he has a sister who has converted to Catholicism!

catholic-convert.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/Story%20Patty%20Bonds.pdf
 
<< but I’m still not sure I completely “get” his argument, although I have a rough idea >>

You can read Salmon in full, it is also online. My PDF of the original 1888 version.

White takes a lot of his anti-Papacy material from Salmon (the quotes on the Fathers and Peter, from “Maldonatus” and “Linoy” for example). All dealt with adequately by B.C. Butler (although I need to finish typing in those later chapters).

Phil P
 
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