The sacrificial suffering and death of Jesus on the cross?

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Is it scriptural to conclude that God required the sacrificial suffering and death of Jesus on the cross? Is God a masochist who needs or desires a pound of suffering flesh from His Son in order to forgive our sins and save us?

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Is it scriptural to conclude that God required the sacrificial suffering and death of Jesus on the cross? Is God a masochist who needs or desires a pound of suffering flesh from His Son in order to forgive our sins and save us?

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Yes, it is scriptural; but not in the sense (masochistic) your question seems to imply.

I notice your profile says you are Catholic. Are you undergoing problems with your faith; doubts?

Nita
 
Is it scriptural to conclude that God required the sacrificial suffering and death of Jesus on the cross? Is God a masochist who needs or desires a pound of suffering flesh from His Son in order to forgive our sins and save us?

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God could have redeemed humanity in any way he felt was fitting. It turns out that God decided the Sacrifice of Christ was the most suitable way. I feel that St. Thomas Aquinas explains it best. Here, he answers some objections to the manner in which humanity was redeemed:

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Sometimes we forget what the cross was made of.

**Wood.

From a tree.**

At the begining of Genesis we remember another tree.

Genesis 3:17

Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the** tree **about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.

Adam disobeyed God’s command to not eat from the tree. The first sin. We call Original Sin.This sin is called original because it comes down to us through our origin, or descent, from Adam.

**Romans 5:12 **
Therefore as through one man sin entered into the world and through sin death, and thus death has passed unto all men because all have sinned.

**The chief punishments of Adam which we inherit through original sin are: death, suffering, ignorance, and a strong inclination to sin. **

Wisdom 2:24
But, by the envy of the devil, death came into the world.

**Genesis 3:19 **
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken; for dust thou art, and **into dust thou shalt return. **

Because of Adam’s sin heaven’s doors were closed to us.God the Father promised us someone who would redeem us.

**Genesis 3:15 **
I will put enmities between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed; he shall crush your head, and you shall lie in wait his heel.

Jesus the Christ bore all the sins of the world and sacrificed His life for us. He redeemed us.And God opened the doors to heaven for us.

1 Peter 2:24

24and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

Galatians 3:13
13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us–for it is written, **“CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”-- **

**1 Corinthians 15:3 **
3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that **Christ died for our sins **according to the Scriptures,

It had been written in the Old Testament that …

Deuteronomy 21:22

22"If a man has committed **a sin worthy of death **and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree,

Well Jesus was carrying all our sins on His body.

1 Corinthians 15:22

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

Acts 10:39


39"We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross.

Through a tree came death, Adam’s sin. And through a tree came life, Jesus’ crucifixion

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What grows on a tree?

Fruit.

What do you do with fruit?

You eat it…**
 
Yes, it is scriptural; but not in the sense (masochistic) your question seems to imply.

I notice your profile says you are Catholic. Are you undergoing problems with your faith; doubts?

Nita
No doubts, Nita, at least about what I believe is essential to our Catholic faith (many may disagree exactly what that is, however). Nita think about this, what if all of Israel had accepted Jesus as the Messiah. Would that have furthered the Kingdom of God on earth? What if all of Israel had become apostles of Jesus and worked to spread His message to all the world? Do you think Jesus actually hoped He would be rejected so salvation could somehow therefore come to humanity?
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Masochist? Hardly. God sent his only Son to suffer & die for us to show us how much He loved us. If you truly think about that, it is the ULTIMATE sacrifice for us.
How many humans would sacrifice one of their pets to save someone they should have written off long ago? Would you give up ANYTHING i.e. money, comfort, material items, or a family member to someone you loved yet alone someone you perceived as bad?
 
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